Re: TORI BE DAMNED!!

[CLBECKWITH@aol.com]

In a message dated 95-05-22 13:17:22 EDT, 

katemaniac@aol.com (KateManiac) writes:

>Love-Hounds:
>
>                       I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired
>of
>all
>                       this attention paid to wannabe-Kate Tori
>(rhymes
>                       with BORING) Amos.
>
>                       SHE SUCKS!!!
>
>                       Go get your own site ....
>
>KM.

To which I reply:

rec.music.gaffa is for admirers of not only Kate Bush (though it is the
focus) but also like-minded female artists.  In fact, the rec.music.tori-amos
newsgroup was a direct outgrowth of rec.music.gaffa.  If you don't like Tori
(I'm not particularly fond of her, either) it would do well for you to not
air your juvenilia on the newsgroup.  The way things stand right now you and
other pseudonymous aol'ers are giving more mature users a bad name.  Grow up.

Take care,

Chris
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                                TORI BE DAMNED!!
                              Re: TORI BE DAMNED!!
                                Advice Needed...
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                              Re: TORI BE DAMNED!!

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Posted-Date: 21 May 1995 17:20:26 -0400
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From: bracyurv@aol.com (Bracyurv)
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Subject: Re: A Book of Dreams
Date: 21 May 1995 17:20:26 -0400
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do you know of a reich resource?
     
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Date: Sun, 21 May 95 23:41 BST-1
From: aneal@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adrian Neal)
Subject: Re: Nothing good out of Welling!?
Cc: aneal@cix.compulink.co.uk
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Richard Hamilton <74557.664@CompuServe.COM> writes;

>Subject: Nothing good out of Welling!?

>Geez, I'm from the states and I know something they don't! Do 
>these people have e-mail addresses?

I suppose the charitable view would be that one of them comes from Welling
too
and that it was an 'in-joke'. I did wonder at the time if it was a facetious
reference to KT

Adrian

  

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From: Mastrose@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 19:34:16 -0400
Subject: Love Hounds collection...

...was recommended on the Kate Bush bulletin board at America Online.

How can I get a copy of this video collection?
Mastrose@aol.com

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Posted-Date: 22 May 1995 04:24:39 -0400
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From: derekbsr@aol.com (DerekBSr)
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Subject: Re: Meaning of gaffa solved?
Date: 22 May 1995 04:24:39 -0400
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I could not find the previous post from Alan Carter. Could you please
repeat his interpretation of gaffa? Thanks in advance.

Derek

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From: Oohlalune@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 08:07:22 -0400
Subject: Kate.XTC

this popped up in Chalkhills, the XTC digest-thang:
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:51:00 +1200
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James)
Subject: In loving memory...

Alex.Stein@turner.com (Alex Stein) said:

>Guess I should come clean and admit this is my favorite XTC song of all.
>Always loved it without really listening to it or trying to figure out
>what it meant.

>Then had an odd experience of visiting Europe and walking in the footsteps
>of a relative who died in WWII. When I came back I listened again and it
>resonated more for my especially the part about the sermons "still echo
>round these churchyard walls."

Exactly. A luvly wee tune. It has a quite similar wistful feel and theme to
Kate Bush's 'Oh England My Lionheart', another favourite.

James (a Chalkhiller!)

James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago.

Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand
pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807

   * You talk to me as if from a distance
   * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time,
   * from another time                     (Brian Eno)
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Oohlalune

too tired to si

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From: Anders Hultman <anders.hultman@unisource.se>
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Subject: Re: Watching you without me
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btd@carina.cray.com (Bryan Dongray) wrote:

>Although, I thought you are not supposed to drown in a lifejacket! ;-)

No, most people found dead in their life jackets has frozen to death.

>Still looking into how to get a black T-shirt made with the image of
>an astronauts glove held up mostly covering an image of the Earth,
>with the words above/below it saying "Peek-a-boo, little Earth". The
>imagery of that song (to me) is so strong (well so are lots of the
>others too, but that one stuck in my mind). Feel free to do this for
>yourself, remember to put in small extras, like the glove would have
>to have a flag on the cuff - guess which - no not a country flag!

Excellent idea. I would buy one!

anders
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http://www.algonet.se/~anders/



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Posted-Date: 22 May 1995 09:29:32 -0400
Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:29:40 -0400
From: katemaniac@aol.com (KateManiac)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: TORI BE DAMNED!!
Date: 22 May 1995 09:29:32 -0400
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Love-Hounds:

                       I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of
all
                       this attention paid to wannabe-Kate Tori (rhymes
                       with BORING) Amos.

                       SHE SUCKS!!!

                       Go get your own site ....

KM.

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Date: 22 May 95 10:07:48 EDT
From: Ronald.Girardin@Dartmouth.EDU (Ronald Girardin)
Subject: Re: TORI BE DAMNED!!

>Love-Hounds:
>
>                       I don't know about you, but I'm sick >and tired of
>all
>                       this attention paid to wannabe-Kate >Tori (rhymes
>                       with BORING) Amos.
>
>                       SHE SUCKS!!!
>
>                       Go get your own site ....
>
>KM.

Tori DOES have a newsgroup:  rec.music.tori-amos

hmmmmm....funny you should mention this.  Um...I recently
got into a flamefest in the Tori newsgroup because I
 defended Kate.  Basically, a "dickhead" said that The
 Dreaming was, and I quote: "boring to tears".
...can you believe that?, sick!  

So I just had to say that he wasn't ready for the big 
leagues and that The Dreaming is better than ANY crap 
that Tori's ever done.   I'm still smoking right now ;-)

....so I'm standing back on this one...even though i sorta
agree with you. 

I concluded that most Kate fans embrace Tori more than
Tori fans embrace Kate.  (you're not helping my theory here)

peace  (more than ever)

ronny

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:53:07 EDT
From: <JBOWIE51@MAINE.maine.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Advice Needed...

Hi all.  Over the past few years I've become a fan of Kate and her
music, and am in the process of making a tape to give to a friend
that would serve as a sampler of some of Kate's work, for the
purpose of giving him an idea of Kate's artistic vision.  Problem
is, I only own Red Shoes, Sensual World, Hounds of Love and the
Whole Story, so my range of material to use in the sampler is
limited.

What I'm looking for are suggestions on what other fans feel are
the best songs to include in the tape.  I'm trying to acheive a
sense of balance between songs that some may consider more
"accessible" such as "Top of the City" and works such as "Sat
In Your Lap" (both of which I love).  Any help would be very
much appreciated.  Thank you in advance.

-John

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Date: 22 May 95 10:44:55 EDT
From: Ronald.Girardin@Dartmouth.EDU (Ronald Girardin)
Subject: Re: Advice Needed...

--- <JBOWIE51@MAINE.maine.edu> wrote:
Hi all.  Over the past few years I've become a fan of Kate and her
music, and am in the process of making a tape to give to a friend
that would serve as a sampler of some of Kate's work, for the
purpose of giving him an idea of Kate's artistic vision.  Problem
is, I only own Red Shoes, Sensual World, Hounds of Love and the
Whole Story, so my range of material to use in the sampler is
limited.

What I'm looking for are suggestions on what other fans feel are
the best songs to include in the tape.
--- end of quoted material ---
well, my advice would be to put The Whole Story on one
side and split the other side with:
   The Ninth Wave
   The Sensual World (the song, not the whole album)
   The Fog
   This Woman's Work
   Rubberband Girl
   Moments Of Pleasure
   Lily
   The Red Shoes
....i hope your tape's long enough.  :-)

You can also tape all four albums... :-) or better yet, you can
simply buy your friend a copy of The Whole Story.  That way,
Kate will be getting residuals for your efforts.

peace

ron 
 

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Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Stuart M. Castergine" <scasterg@cd.columbus.oh.us>
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So, how badly should we flame the clueless twit? Not for not liking Tori
Amos, mind you. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and I certainly
have no problem with him finding Ms. Amos's music unappealing. I am minded
to flame him for being rude, juvenile, intolerant, uncouth and generally
unpleasant to be around. The post was, IMHO, the intellectual equivalent
of spray-painting obscenities on a bathroom wall.  Beavis and Butthead
would be proud ("He said 'sucks.' Heh, heh, heh."). 

Do you think I should flame him?

Just wondering,
Stu

P.S. Of course, the post was such obvious flamebait that it is possible 
that, ahem, KateManiac, (I shudder to use that term in reference to this 
.. person) is deliberately trying to goad someone into a flame war to 
stroke his teeny, tiny little ego. Or, he left his machine logged on and 
someone is playing a trick on him. God, you meet the weirdest people in 
the net (OK, myself included). :-)

scasterg@cd.columbus.oh.us == Stuart M. Castergine   |              ---
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