Cloudbusting -- Kate
Bush In Her Own Words
- The side most people know of Houdini is that of the escapologist,
but he spent many years of his life exposing mediums and seances as frauds. His
mother had died, and in trying to make contact through such spiritual people,
he realized how much pain was being inflicted on people already in sorrow,
people who would part with money just for
the chance of a few words from a past loved one.
- I feel he must have believed in the possibility of contact after
death, and perhaps in his own way, by
weeding out the frauds, he hoped to find just one that could not be proven to
be a fake. He and his wife made a decision that if one of them should die and
try to make contact, the other would know it was truly them through a code that
only the two of them knew.
- His wife would often help him with his escapes. Before he was bound
up and sealed away inside a tank or some dark box, she would give him a parting
kiss, and as their lips met, she would pass him the key which he would later
use to unlock the padlocks that chained him.
- After he died, Mrs. Houdini did visit many mediums, and tried to
make contact for years, with no luck - until one day a medium called Mr. Ford
informed her that Houdini had come through. She visited him and he told her
that he had a message for her from Houdini, and he spoke the only words that
meant for her the proof of her husband's presence. She was so convinced that
she released an official statement to the fact that he had made contact with
her through the medium, Ford.
- It is such a beautiful and strange story that I thought I had very
little to do, other than tell it like it was. But in fact it proved to be the
most difficult lyric of all the songs and the most emotionally demanding. I was
so aware of trying to do justice to the beauty of the subject, and trying to
understand what it must have been like to have been in
love with such an extraordinary man, and
to have been loved by him.
- I worked for two or three nights just to find one line that was
right. There were so many alternatives, but only a few were right for the song.
Gradually it grew and began to piece together, and I found myself wrapped up in
the feelings of the song - almost pining for Houdini. Singing the lead vocal
was a matter of conjuring up that feeling again and as the clock whirrs and the
song flashes back in time to when she watched him through the glass, he's on
the other side under water, and she hangs on to his every breath. We both wait.
(1982, KBC 12)
Your songs are nearly always based around a story of sorts. Is it
important for you to have a meaning behind your songs?
- Oh yes, I think it gets more and more so, because although on the
first two albums the songs were always based on something, they weren't all
that strong; but now I get more involved with the ideas behind a song, and I do
my best to make the concept as vivid and as solid as I can. On the new album,
for instance, there is a track about the legendary escapologist Houdini. During
his incredible lifetime Houdini took it upon himself to expose the whole
spiritualist thing - you know, seances and mediums. And he found a lot them to
be phoney, but before he died Houdini and his wife worked out a code, so that
if he came back after his death his wife
would know it was him by the code. So after his death his wife made several
attempts to contact her dead husband, and on one occasion he did come through
to her. I thought that was so beautiful - the idea that this man who had spent
his life escaping from chains and ropes had actually managed to contact his
wife. The image was so beautiful that I just had to write a song about it.
[The full story is quite complicated, but mrs. Houdini later stated that no
such contact was ever made. Kate has indicated in other interviews - conducted
presumably a bit later than this one - that she was aware of the dubious
aspects of the story, but that the beauty of the concept and imagery were no
less true for that. - ied] (1982, POPIX)
It's a wild track, that ``houdini.'' it certainly gets
a bit manic.
What's it about?
- It's all about Houdini from Mrs Houdini's point of view.
The houdini - the escape artist?
- That's right. He was married, and his wife was actually quite
involved with his whole life and his work, and she used to help a lot with the
tricks. And one of the things, which is what the album cover's about, is before
he went off into his tank, when he was all tied up and everything, she would
give him a parting kiss, and as she kissed him, she passed him a tiny little
key, which he then later used when he was in the water to unlock the chains.
And as soon as I heard that imagery, I just thought it was so beautiful, and so
- He tied that into the whole side of his life where he was completely
obsessed with exposing mediums as frauds. I don't know if you know anything
- This was another side of him. His mother died, and he was really,
really close to her, like really close. And when she died he needed desperately
to try and communicate with her through a medium, and he just came across all
these people who were basically making
money out of the art of pretending to speak to the dead, and when he
realized all these people were just basically ruining peoples' lives just to
make some money he decided - in a very positive way - to show that they were
frauds and tricksters. So he spent years of his life dedicating time to finding
any medium that said they were really authentic and proving that they were
completely false. So he spent years of his life doing this, and ruining
peoples' careers and getting an awful lot of spiritualists uptight. Before he
died, he said to his wife, ``i'm going to die before you, and when I do, I am
going to try everything I can to try and come back through a real medium. And
there'll be one way you know it's me, because all these tricksters are going to
jump on the wagon and say that I've come through and I'm going to use words
that only you and I know. It's a code, so you'll know that it's me, and no-one
else.'' So they made this code together, and when he died she went round all
the seances waiting for him to come through. It's extraordinary really, because
the thing happened on the three levels, because apparently when he first got
his stage set together, he was more into magic and the same kind of fraud, and
he would do things where he would pretend he was contacting the dead, and he
would tell the audience these messages from their dead people, and it was all a
trick. Then it happened to him, through his mother, where they
were all tricking him because he wanted to contact his mother, and then exactly
the same thing happened to his wife after his death, when they were all trying
to trick her, that he had come through. And it's just so extraordinary, that,
really: the whole thing with him escaping, chains and things, and then trying
to escape death, and this weird sort of parallel of contact and frauds. It's
just an incredibly extraordinary man and story.
How did you get into all this?
- I just heard about it. I don't even remember how I first heard about
the big thing of exposing mediums. I mean, that was what started it, because it
was such a strange story, the fact that he should be so obsessed with proving
that they weren't real.
- And then I started hearing how his wife was involved, because I
hadn't even known he was married; and as soon as there was an emotional contact
with that bit - there was some woman who was really in
love with him through it all - it became a
perfect angle to write from, really. Especially when you thought about how,
even when he was dead, she spent all her time trying to be with him. It's very
strong stuff, I think. Beautiful.
The credits on the album. There's two mentioned, there's gordon
farrell. Who's that?
- He was my singing teacher!
- Yeah! Years ago I used to go every week for these lessons, and
really it was great, 'cause he gave me loads of confidence in singing, which is
what I needed more than anything. I just used to go to him half an hour a week,
and by the end of the year I felt a lot more confident in myself as a singer.
He worked wonders! And on ``Houdini", i don't know if you noticed
at the end there are these sounds, like the backing vocal that accompanies the
very last ``you and I and rosabel believe'' lyric, just after the strings
section; and that's him.
So you gave him a mention from that point of view?
- Yeah. He sang in it.
And the ``rosabel, believe!'' bit?
- Ah, well, that's actually the words that were the code, between him
Between houdini and his wife?
- Yeah, and they were the words that proved to her that it was him,
and only him.
And why do you put Del
Palmer's name next to that?
- Because he was the one who actually pretended to be him, in the
song. The idea in the song is that it was the voice of Houdini, perhaps from
the other side, and in fact it was Del on the telephone.
Oh, I see. Del played that part, he played that, sort of ``role''
And del's also the bass player on quite a
few of the tracks?
- Yes, he is, yes. (1982, Bootleg
There's a mysterious quote on the sleeve: ``with a kiss I'd pass
the key...'' it comes from this song, and there she is on the sepia sleeve
embracing a chained man, key on tongue.
- It's a little depiction from the song. I didn't even know he was
married, but apparently she used to help him out quite a lot. As he used to go
into his tank or jump in the river, she'd give him a parting kiss and pass a
tiny silver key into his mouth. He'd wander off, then take it out and unlock
the thing. That started that side of things because I didn't realise she'd been
involved with his tricks.
- He used to be involved with spiritualists - go round exposing them
because they were hurting a lot of people. I think he tried to get in contact
with his mother, and had some bad experiences. He and his wife made a code
together so that if he or she died and the other came back through a medium or
something, they would know it was them, not a fraud. When he died, she started
going to all these seances, all frauds, but she went to one guy and he really
had come through. The code was given; so far as she was concerned, it was him.
- It's such a beautiful image:
for this guy, who'd been escaping all his life, to escape death and come back
to her. But I didn't know if he had come back, because the other stories said
he hadn't, so I rang up Psychic News, and this nice lady got all
these papers from the 1920s and read me this apparently official declaration
from Mrs. Houdini that this had happened. I feel that they were terribly in
love because of the whole story. She was saving his life every time. It's such
a great story, I couldn't resist it.
Kate recalls the legend of his last escape, where they had to smash
the tank with an axe to free houdini. Shiver at the stage possibilities!
Terrifying, says kate.
Kate would like [It] to be the next single but isn't sure if
it's obvious enough - I feel under pressure to go with the obvious one. (1982,
Houdini, I think most people know him for being the escapologist, the man who's
who's wriggling around in a sack on the pavement. But I started finding out
about a side of his life that seemed more interesting, for me, where he spent a
lot of years actually going around to mediums and seances, exposing the fact
that they were frauds. He'd try to contact his mother when she died and he just
met fraud after fraud and they were after his
money and as far he was concerned they were just making people very unhappy
just in order to get money. So he spent years just going 'round to these
places, and revealing the wires and revealing the technicalities and all this
sort of thing. But between him and his wife they made a code and it was very
strange because they made this so that if perhaps one of them ever died and the
other tried to contact them through a medium or a seance, that they would know
that it was really them and not a fraud. And when Houdini died his wife did
actually start going around to the mediums and the seances, more or less what
he had done when he had been alive. And the same thing for years, she just came
across so many fakes and people that really were not true mediums at all. Until
one day she had a phone call from a man who said that Houdini had come through
to him. So she went to see him, and he gave her the code that only Houdini and
her had known and as far as she was concerned he had made contact with her.
- So the [??? Inaudible tape cuts out] is really all about her
and him and how very much in love they
were and how terrible it was for her when he died, but that they did make
contact again. So it's all about that special moment. (1982, Dreaming debut)
Now on the
front cover of the album, for those who have not seen it, you have got your
hands around a fellow who has his hair combed back like houdini. You confirm
this was houdini who you are clutching in your hands there, or someone looking
like him. And you have a key in your mouth, on your tongue in fact, a gold key.
What does that represent?
- Well, one of the wonderful things about Houdini was that his wife
would help him out with his tricks, sometimes. And one the ways was that as she
gave him a passing kiss before he went off to do his act, she would pass him a
key and he would later use it to unlock the chains.....
Is that true?
- Yeah, it's beautiful isn't it?
Is that true??
- Yeah. It's really good. So we thought what a fantastic picture it
would make. (1982, Unknown BBC
the lack of accessability and instant comerciality are going to be problem with
some of the tracks. Some people may be wondering, for example, on the cover of
the album, the
dreaming, what you are doing with a little gold key in your mouth.
Is this a reference to gold key comics or what?
[Laughs] well it's really to do with the song
``houdini", which is on the album. And the song is written from
mrs. Houdini's point of view. And what was rather beautiful was she used to
help him a lot with his tricks and one of the things that she would do, before
he went off into his tank or to jump into the sea or whatever it was, she would
pass him a tiny key with a kiss before she left him and he went off. And when
he was then in the water he would use the key to unlock the padlocks. So in
many ways by passing that key she was keeping an eye on his life, making sure
that he be safe, that he would come out again. (1982, Pebble Mill at One)
fact houdini's wife in that particular track was, as it were, possessed, there
was quite a lot of distortion. How did you achieve that effect?
- Well the idea is that it's as she's watching him go off into his
tank of water for the last time, and it's the idea that she is this sort of
possessed demon that's terrified of him going. And I drank about a pint of milk
before I did the vocal and ate like two bars of chocolate. And the great thing
about those sort of foods is it really creates a lot of mucus and normally
that's the last thing you want when you sing, you normally want a very pure
voice, but I wanted to get all that sort of spit and gravel in the throat.
[Clears throat] So I worked on bringing the gravel out and then we
also... as I sung the track we sped the track up a bit so that when it was
played back the voice would just be slightly deeper, just have slightly more
weight in it.
Hm. Some of the tricks of the trade in
[Laughs] yes. (1982, Dreaming debut)
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