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From: hui@joplin.mpr.ca (Michael Hui)
Date: 8 Jan 90 22:49:41 GMT
Subject: Kate Bush's Musical Style (was Re: Does Kate Bush read news? )
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>Yes, we can stop this whole thing, if you'll just answer me one >question. What exactly do you mean when you say substantial? >You've been throwing that word around a lot (as in "more substantial >than Kate Bush"). Once I know precisely how you're applying that >word, your argument might sound a little less... ummm, inaccessible.-- >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Susan L. Cecelia Harwood amadeus@walt.cc.utexas.edu *<:-) >The University of Texas @Austin "...suspended in gaffa..." --Kate Bush >_______________________________________________________________________________ Flame --> off. This shall be a _dialogue_, not an argument. My current definition of substantial is two-fold: 1) the music achieves a new effect, be it harmonic, rhythmic, structural, or tonal (i.e. prepared piano sort of stuff). The "level of substantiality" is rather subjective, and I rate it heavily on my emotional response rather than comparing the sound against what the composer states he/she was trying to achieve. Of course, if I used the latter criteria, I might as well be working for Lucas Films recording sound effects for Star Wars: The Last Battle. That would be fun, but I won't digress now ... 2) the music achieves new heights in its own genre. This manifests itself in terms of simply good craftsmanship, like Mozart vs his contemporaries; the degree of emotional involvement required of the listener, like Chopin vs Lizst; whether by combining features of several genres the music brings increased satisfaction not found in prior work in each genre. (No, I did not dig up my text books for the above ... personal opinions are much more fun compared to text book definitions when it comes to music.) I did listen to Kate Bush's _The Dreaming_ album completely, intently, again, and concluded that it is indeed a masterpiece. In other words, substantial. I then listened to several hours of music composed by winners of several Canada-wide young composer competitions, and compared that to The Dreaming. I found that Kate has managed to make this, for lack of a better word, _abstract_ album still full of emotion, whereby the young composers' pieces were certainly much more abstract, but lacked any emotion. By emotion, I mean the following: Kate's work is very structured, the young composers' much less so, hence the latter was like a too-long paragraph that contained good prose, but needed a break here and there and some ideas regrouped to make it more easily understood; Kate's work was quite atonal, but of course the young composers' beat Kate in this game. Atonality within a framework of familiar tonality comes across a lot more emotional than the other way around. It's like Debussy's music seeming more emotional than Stravinsky's music. The structure of the music could also be a major factor here when comparing how emotional Debussy's and Stravinsky's music is. (The exception here is, dare I say, the Firebird Suite, which I do find extremely emotional, on a par with Beethoven's ninth symphony performed in East Berlin on Christmas night.) So, why do the young composers write in that way, and not write in a way similar to Kate Bush? After all, Kate has shown the world that many of the musical devices currently in fashion could be incorporated into a "pop" song. Let me attempt an explanation: academic composers are after an effect, and Kate Bush is searching for a feeling, a state of being ... an emotional state of being. So is Jane Siberry, whose music manages to paint a mental image so vivid (you do have to pay attention to the lyrics for this to work), that she once described her album The Walking as scenic landscape in sound. Yes, you can catch me right there comparing the sound of the music to what the composer is trying to achieve, rather than forming my own independent conclusion ... Before I go on any longer, perhaps others can correct / dispute / enlighten some of my points of view. Michael Hui 604-985-6506 604-985-4214 hui@joplin.mpr.ca