Re: 'Lily' The Red Shoes-Question?

[pohlke@inf.fu-berlin.de (Andreas Pohlke)]

lilitu@cjnetworks.com (Renee Rosen) writes:
^^^^^^
Erm, this tells me it is not coincidentally you have that detailed 
knowledge...

>Useless triva time: the origin of the casting of the directions (not 
>always the same 4 directions, BTW) with various deities/angels is 
>quite ancient, most probably of Babylonian origins. It was adopted by 
>the Hebrews (during the Babylonian exile) and can be found in some of 
>the demon bowls from around the 1st C. CE (common era--"A.D."). The 
>actual directions named and the deities/angels evoked differed and 
>did not appear to be standardized until much later.

I spent some time with such things but I not have that resident in
my mind and I had nothing to search in. My books are in boxes
at home. The first important four directions coming to my mind
where those of american natives rituals (Sioux, I think, Lakota)...

>I wouldn't call them "mantras," since they don't appear the same to 
>me as a mantra. A mantra is a phrase that is repeated over and over 
>again to achieve a trance state. They could be used as mantras, but 
>they aren't the same thing.

Well, a mantra to me is something top reach a certain state of mind,
e.g. chanting a mantra, like the ones those orange krishna people
sing. Maybe I am not precise enough and those would normally
be called "chants" and not mantras. I did not distinguish them --
until now. Maybe I think again about that.

Lily -- the connection to Lilith is too loose I think.
There is a song "Lilywhite Lilith" on the Gensis Album
"the Lamb lies down on broadway", but I don't have the text.

Best wishes,
Andreas.

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