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From: ag@sics.se (Anders G|ransson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 10:08:21 GMT
Subject: Re: misc, muse, Cloudbusting
In-Reply-To: chrisw@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu's message of Tue, 1 Jun 1993 03:41:25 -0400
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In article <m0o0QxS-000ilhC@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu> chrisw@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu (chris williams) writes: Anders' opinion: >Good lyrics; "America" Paul Simon. >Bad lyrics; "Heads we're dancing" Kate Bush. I don't know the Paul Simon song, and while I agree that "Heads we're Dancing" isn't Kate's best song, I would really like *someone* to watch the film "Hanussen" with Klaus Maria Branduar. I believe this film is the basis of the song, and (a la "Cloudbusting") is not complete without it's background story, and cannot be fairly judged. Thank you for this reaction to my article! My little rusz^e; introducing a specific comparison between lyrics apparently worked even tough you didn't know 'America' by Paul Simon. This is a bit surprising to a Swede, a thought this song was part of the great American tradition. I almost felt a little guilty in choosing such an obvious example of 'good' lyrics to compare with one of Kate's (* in my opinion *) worst. So, "Head's..." are based on a movie and there is a background story whit out which the lyrics cannot be fairly judged. I have no idea of this, haven't seen the movie, so my judgement (given that your belief is true) is not fair. (And yet I feel that lyrics to a song has to give something in itself and that it must be possible to react to it directly.) As I have said repeatedly, an artist is of course free to choose whatever method she likes in writing lyrics. What can be said of basing lyrics on movies, autobiographies, books e t c thus craving a a lot of research on the part of the listener to appreciate the lyrics in full is (minimally) that it takes ardent followers to be successful. This group is of course a full existence proof for such followers of Kate Bush. Another "problem" with this method is that the movie in itself may be based on some book, some historical facts e t c and cannot be appreciated without checking this background out fully. Takes some patience and an enormous interest on the part of the listener to go through with this and , more importantly, a confidence that the work involved will be rewarded. The reward is then my guess, not a overwhelming emotional experience, but the satisfaction of having solved a puzzle! I for one prefer lyrics that gives an emotional impact at the first contact, without the need for laborious investigations. From what we can tell, Kate *prefers* to make her lyrics obscure, so calling a lyric "good" or "bad" on the basis of how clearly it tells a story or communicates a specific mood is a bit arbitrary. If the yardstick is "is it as the artist intended" and the artist *intended* the lyrics to be obscure, (realizing that Kate has recorded lyrics in ways that her most ardent fans spent years deciphering), then the song is a success. Quite true that there are different perspectives to this 'judging' the success of lyrics! My point of view is that of a naive listener wanting to get something in the likeness of that you get when reading a good poem. So much for that! Kate, hypothetically, wants to write obscure lyrics and there are people devoting lots of time and energy in decoding the lyrics, seems like a perfect match! Not my cup of tea tough! best regards Anders -- If you see Saint Annie, please tell her - Thanks a lot.