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From: ed@das.llnl.gov (Edward Suranyi)
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Subject: Re: Jon Drukman's theories
Date: 10 Oct 89 22:48:35 GMT
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>Really-From: gatech.edu!mit-eddie!gaffa.mit.edu!jsd@cs.utexas.edu (Jon Drukman)
>
>>The problem is, neither quite makes sense to me yet.  If it's 
>>metaphorical, then why does she mention the year being 1939?
>
>Ah, now we get into historical significance.  As I learned in my
>English class this week (the same one that gave us a handout of
>the Molly Bloom soliloquy from Ulysses last week -- I think this
>guy is a secret Kate fan), 1939 is the year when WWII really got
>underway, or at least the events prompting it.  This is the year
>that Hitler invades Czechoslovakia.

Are you trying to make me look like a fool?  Of course I know
that 1939 was the year WWII began, by Germany's invasion of 
Poland.  My point was that if the Hitler line is meant metaphorically,
then the year is irrelevant  -- she could be singing about one of
today's mass murderers.  But since you believe that the line is
meant literally (a view I actually share), then this discussion
is unnecessary.

>>On the other hand, I can't imagine that anybody in Germany in
>>1939 could possibly fail to recognize Adolf Hitler!
>
>Ah, now you're reading into the song a meaning that isn't there
>at all.  Who ever said it took place in Germany?  Maybe it takes
>place in Czechoslovakia the day before the invasion.  Chew on
>that one!

No, I can't accept this either.  I simply can't believe that
anybody in Europe in 1939 wouldn't recognize Hitler -- unless
Kate is portraying a very stupid girl in this song.  Is this 
what you're suggesting?  And, as far as I know, Hitler never
left Europe in 1939.



Ed (Edward Suranyi)
Dept. of Applied Science, UC Davis/Livermore
ed@das.llnl.gov
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