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From: Pete Hartman <bradley!bucc2!pwh@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 89 00:30:42 -0500
Subject: Absolute Right my CREDENZA
>" . . .their own moral decisions." Ah, Relativism rears its ugly head >again in America. Morals and ethics are not a matter of individual >opinion. There are ABSOLUTE standards of Right and Wrong, which individuals >can discover and know. In this case, it is "It is wrong to steal." Somehow >today (in our state of ethical decay), that has been perverted to, "It is >all right to steal as long as you don't hurt the victim that much (and >especially if you don't get caught), otherwise it is bad." Are there Absolute Rights and Wrongs? Or is it just that some people feel that there must be absolute rights and wrongs, else all is chaos, and they feel all alone in the great big universe.... I'd opt for the latter. Just look at all the good things Absolute Rights and Wrongs have brought us: Absolute Solutions (as in the Final Solution), Absolute Dictatorships of various sorts, Absolutely Correct Religions (Jim Jones was told by GOD to have all those people kill themselves, and the Ayatollah was only acting as God's Messenger, pronouncing His death sentence on Salman Rudshie...) I don't often see absolutes doing anything but providing excuses for people in control to pronounce sentence on those they can't control. [ comments about zappa and specific complications of "relativism" deleted ] >Read _The_Closing_Of_The_American_Mind_ by Allan Bloom. It shows how >Relativism (and, as a result, nihilism) have taken over Western thought. >The theme is that eveyone accepts as fact that "everyone should come up >with their own value system and decide for themselves what is right and >wrong." It is, in fact, the only idea that most Westerners accept as an >absolute right--and that is why their mind is closed, since they cannot >even accept some other system of thought (why bother--it is known absolutely >that everyone has the right to decide their own value system). > >-andy What other systems of thought are we talking about? *I* think that "everyone should come up with their own value system...", based on the information they can get from the world around them (like the value systems shown them by church and family) rather than blindly accepting that what everyone else says is "RIGHT". To do otherwise is to reject your freedom to choose your own life. I don't think this makes me close minded, except perhaps insofar as I tend to resent people who have made the "RIGHT" decisions and feel it is their obligation to force those decisions onto myself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...uiucdcs\ Pete Hartman ......noao >!bradley!bucc2!pwh ......cepu/ INTERNET: bradley!bucc2!pwh@a.cs.uiuc.edu ARPA: cepu!bradley!bucc2!pwh@seas.ucla.edu IF ALL ELSE FAILS: bradley!bucc2!pwh@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (ps maybe we could take this to email so as not to disturb the musiKal discussions? My mailer doesn't understand %'s and \@'s in the same address)