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From: (Michael J. Lamoureux) <lamour%smiley.mitre.org@GATEWAY.MITRE.ORG>
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 88 12:13:48 -0400
Subject: Flames (maybe arson)
Posted-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 88 12:13:48 -0400
-------- Well, I guess I've sat back watching long enough...I've got a few things I'd like to say. (Pardon me for being anti-conformist, but I think I'll talk about Kate Bush...anyone ever hear of her????) I've been a Love-Hound for about five months...I've been a Kate Bush fan for about two months. I subscribed to pick up Kate info for my girlfriend. After reading all of these correspondences, I got kinda curious. I'm a big fan of Yes, Rundgren, Gabriel, Floyd, Kansas, and the like, so I figured I would at least listen to _The_Dreaming_, because it was said to be like Gabriel III. Phenomenal!!! I loved it. The next album I listened to disapointed me. I guess I should expect flames from this, but it was _Hounds_of_Love_. And YES Doug I _DID_ listen to the album, thank you!! So then I went back, and listened to them all from the begining. I liked _The_Kick_Inside_ a lot, and _Never_For_Ever_ a good bit, but _Hounds_of_Love_ barely inched out _Lionheart_. Although, I must admit that none of them were bad. I spent three weeks, 12 hours a day, listening to Kate Bush in chronological, reverse chron., and random order. I started listening by album, and then worked down to listening to each individual song. While I was doing this, I was reading and rereading all the Love Hounds print-outs I have. I'd like to thank all of you (especially Andrew Marvick) for some valuable information and for introducing me to Kate, and I'd like to say something that has been on my mind since day one: Doug, you must be the MOST conceited ass that I have ever had the displeasure of communicating with!!! [ And damn proud of it, too! -- |>oug ] I have never met anyone so pompous as to suggest to an artist TO HER FACE that he knows more about her songs than she does. You remind me of my high school English teacher. And I think you're wrong...I have to agree with Andrew Marvick's interpretation of the last two verses of "There Goes A Tenner". He seems to have a much more sound theory. [ Well, it's you and IED that are wrong. There's absolutely nothing in the song or the video to suggest the passing of large amounts of time inbetween the verses. When she says, "Ooh, I remember...", the obvious and straightforward reading, is the obvious and straigtforward reading: that she is talking about the past. Not that suddenly twenty years have whipped by without any indication whatsoever, and this past she's remembering is really the future. That's a lame theory. It is complicated, unnecessary, and doesn't explain anything that can't be explained by a simpler theory. Regarding me claiming to know more about her songs than Kate does: (1) I never did. (2) Let's see if someone plops you down in front of your idol and see if you don't make a fool out of yourself. (3) I wasn't trying to claim that I know more about Kate's songs than she does. What I was trying to do was get information out of Kate that she doesn't like to give. Kate is very secretive about some things, and will avoid the issue. Some questions I asked her, she just wouldn't answer. She wouldn't say she didn't want to answer -- she'd just answer a different question than I asked. Take for example, her answer to my question about how she does audio palindromes: she wouldn't answer. She would just say, "Oh yeah, it's really difficult and I plan on doing more of this kind of thing in the future." Me: "But how do you do it, Kate?" Kate: "Oh, I put in lots of work and effort and it comes out pretty good, don't you think?" He brother had no qualms about answering this question when I asked him about it the next day. Kate also wouldn't answer my question about the meaning of the song "My Lagan Love". When I asked her brother, however, it turned it that he had written the lyrics, to this one song, and that his intentions with the song were precisely what I had predicted. You certainly couldn't tell this from Kate's evasive answer, however. When I hinted that I didn't believe everything Kate said, it wasn't because I thought she was wrong -- it was because I thought she wasn't telling everything, which it is still *painfully* obvious for many things, she wasn't. -- |>oug ] On an unrelated topic Doug says: > Also, to claim that a song by Kate about the quest for perfection is totally > unrelated and unconnected to her own quest for perfection in her life and > art, would be completely inane and asinine. -- |>oug ] No argument with your logic, Doug (in this rare instance), but I just found it infinitely ironic to hear you say that anything was inane OR asinine. [ Perhaps. But it's also just as ironic for you too. -- |>oug ] Doug also says: > [ |>oug, as always, feels nastier than he sounds. -- |>oug ] Well, I was just wondering if Doug always feels as stupid as he sounds. I find it hard to believe that anyone intelligent enough to get into MIT could believe half the stuff that Doug tends to spout to the terminal. [ Well, as Einstein said, great minds will always face opposition from mediocre ones. At least I have a Philosophy degree from MIT to prove that I may not be as stupid as you think. How are you going to prove to me that you're not as stupid as you seem? -- |>oug ] Damn, that felt good! Now concerning that mess at UMass, I have to confess that AC/DC has been my favorite group for the past 7 years (in fact, I bought their latest CD right out of the box), and I'd really like it if whoever posted that file (Joe Turner) could get this message to that shallow bastard, NIM II: [ Pointing at that AC/DC is your favorite group was the way to do it! -- |>oug ] "Compared to Kate Bush, Brian Johnson can't sing for shit!!!" Oh, and I really don't think that even if she had tried, Kate could have made Gabriel's last album much worse than he had already made it himself. Not a very good album at all compared to the rest of his collection. Other things of note: For those who care, the other day I was listening to _Powerslave_ (Iron Maiden) and noticed that a few of the guitar riffs are identical to pieces of Mike Oldfield's _Tubular_Bells_. I also can't help noticing that the Bass work on Kate's later albums (Del Palmer?) is extremely similar to, if not exactly like Tony Franklin's (The Firm). Just one more thing before I go...is there anybody out there with all of Kate's CD's who would be willing to make a tape for me? I'd be more than willing to reimburse you for the price of the tape and postage. If so, E-Mail me directly, and I'll give you details. Thanks a lot. {I just regained access to the account this was hiding on, so I dusted it off and edited a couple of things. I appologize for the untimeliness of some of the issues. Also, I would say that at this point (3 months after the original composition), that _Lionheart_ has edged out _HOL_ and is closing on _NFE_} Michael Lamoureux George Washington University School of Eng & App Sci Computing Facility Bitnet: Oplamo@Gwuvax Arpanet: Oplamo@Gwuvax.gwu.edu or Oplamo@Gwusun.gwu.edu UUCP: uunet!gwusun!oplamo Disclaimer: If anyone I work with has ever _HEARD_ of Kate Bush, I'll appologize to Doug. (Don't hold your breath Doug) =============================================================================== Yes... Jon Anderson, Bill Bruford, Steve Howe, Chris Squire, and Rick Wakeman Could there be a more amazing and talented band? No... ===============================================================================