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Love-Hounds digest         Monday, 8 January 1996       Volume 12 : Number 005

In this issue:
Re: Hey!
Re: Kate's Smokes...
Re: Etchings
Kate Bush Collection For Sale
Re: Multi-colored vinyl 
How do I get on love-hounds list?
Slammin' the spammin' Dazy mae
Kate Web Reviews:  Lionheart
Web Page Retort.. 
Re: New Jersey: READ THIS!!!!
for kate bush
TRS
KateFans
Re: Kate goes shopping
Re: KateFans
Re: New Jersey: READ THIS!!!!

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From: Emmy May Lombaerts <lombaeg@donald.interpac.be>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:08:43 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Hey!

ken312@aol.com (Ken 312) wrote:

>I was going through the grammy nominations and was very surprised to see
>Kate nominated for Long From Video.  Not that I don't like the video it's
>just that I didn't think it was that well received.  

>Ken.

          Yeah, I was pretty surprised too.. The release went by practically
unnoticed here, and the few critics who did bother to review it, weren't too
enthusiastic, even labelling Kate as a has-been... 

I though it was a pretty good effort, but I still think it's a pity her
plans to make a "Ninth Wave" film were never realised.

                             Emmy.

Emmy May Lombaerts
lombaeg@mail.interpac.be
http://www.ping.be/~ping2242/emmy.html

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
'This is not a conclusion, not a revolution, just a little confusion'
                   Tori Amos
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

 
 


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From: Eoin Armstrong <mostrong@iol.ie>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 20:37:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Kate's Smokes...

rec.music.gaffa wrote:
> 
> I believe that in a Q Magazine article shortly after the release of
> The Red Shoes, it mentions her smoking Silk Cuts (she's got good
> taste).

Yeah, I read that too (it doesn't mention anywhere the particular
colour she smokes).

Apparently she also likes to roll her own - I *do* mean tobacco only,
of course :).

Mo.

------------------------------

From: Eoin Armstrong <mostrong@iol.ie>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 20:45:57 -0800
Subject: Re: Etchings

Hypnagogue wrote:
> 
> This is just a guess, but I understand Kate is a "Young Ones" fan, and I
> recall Vyvyan's mother gleefully shouting this at him after giving him an
> empty bottle of vodka.

In fact that episode was on a couple of weeks ago on BBC!

Mo.

------------------------------

From: icurok@agt.net (H.F. Schreiner)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:42:09 -0800
Subject: Kate Bush Collection For Sale

I have posted a list of my collection to: rec.music.marketplace.vinyl

If you are unable to access this newsgroup, send me a note and I will email
the list to you


F Schreiner



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From: Kerry White <zzkwhite@ktwu.wuacc.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:14:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Multi-colored vinyl 

  Hello,
> >
> Eugene, it's correct, there is ONLY 5 copies.  I managed to get my

  What a moment of confusion *I* had!  I've got the muti-hued vinyl of 
The Hounds of Love (or The Whole Story? am at work)  and forgot that it 
wasn't The Dreaming!
  Anyone else do it too??

                                    KrW
                        It was the least I could do!
     And never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could do.




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From: kozminuk@sfu.ca (Angela Kozminuk)
Date: 8 Jan 1996 01:02:38 GMT
Subject: How do I get on love-hounds list?

Hi,
I tried getting onto the love-hounds list a week ago and got a
message back saying that the server was not responding.
Someone mentioned in this group that the address has changed as of
October, but I was using the address I found in the FAQ that was
posted to this group just last week.

Needless to say, I'm confused.
So how do I get on this list?
And is there a digest form?

Thanks in advance from
a starved kate fan,

Angela
- -->kozminuk@sfu.ca
- --
__________________________________
Angela Kozminuk    men go crazy in congregations
http://www.geopages.com/Paris/2270    but they only get better
kozminuk@sfu.ca             one by one

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From: XQVH79A@prodigy.com (MR BRADLEY H TRUSHIN)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 22:42:06 EST
Subject: Slammin' the spammin' Dazy mae

Loved Stuart's acidic castigation of these spamming, must-be-devoid-
of-talent jerks.  Sounds like it was written by someone's mother 
after quickly flipping through a few old copies of Rolling Stone with 

an eye towards picking up on the kids' hip rock 'n roll scene.  
Sheesh!  Rev up the Love-Hounds death ray, O.K.?

Critically Yours,
Brad



------------------------------

From: stev0@zuni.chaco.com (stev0)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:42:30 -0800
Subject: Kate Web Reviews:  Lionheart

Stuart Wilsdon's "Lionheart"

http://slave.city.unisa.edu.au/Lionheart.html

One of the first Kate web pages, and probably the best
"major" page. (Note:  For those wondering, "Major" pages
have significant content, while "Minor" pages are specifically
about one topic, usually on just one page.  That is not to say
the Minor pages are in any way inferior to the Major pages -
some of the best Kate pages are the minor ones - it's just that 
they simply aren't as big).

Anyway, this site started out as just a handful of scanned images,
but has grown into a beautiful resource.  All of the album covers
are wonderfully scanned, plus some digitized songs (all taken -
with credit given - from the Kate Bush Musical Extraveganza),
lyrics (including a VERY small number of non "official" album lyrics),
this is a must-see stop for all KateFans.  Also it has lotsa links to other 
Kate resources, including one I didn't know about! To top it all off, there 
is a LARGE number of jpeg's ftp-able directly from  here (thumbnails 
or an image index file would be nice, but it's still top-notch without
it).

Warning to Yanks:  This site's in Australia, so it's often VERY
slow.

Grade: *****

- - To be continued...


------------------------------

From: Richard J Frost <rjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 16:09:07 +1030
Subject: Web Page Retort.. 

As [stev0@zuni.chaco.com (stev0)] says.. yes .. My web page 
IS out of date.. and has crazy links.. and yes it is poor.. 
its all true ! :(

 I still intend on it being THE web page for Kate Fans across the
 Internet.. 

 I have had little support - most of it my fault unfortunately, 
 I would like to gather input from people on what they would like to
 see on it and I WILL start implementing it.
 
 I have invested big bucks in computer hardware ( HP color scanner
 Gigs of disk space - etc etc. and possibly a digital camera to come soon.)
 to put towards this site - it would be cool if people could photocopy 
 the CD covers of their rare CD's so I could scan them in for people to
 make a complete DISCOGRAPHY web page for example.

 I would like to see some constructive criticism so I can make the pages
 a testimony to all the true Kate fans out there.

 **  Direct all ideas for what YOU would like to see on the w
     web pages to

  r.frost @ adl.dmt.csiro.au

 Note that I have changed jobs and this is my old address - I will be
 purchasing a personal internet account soon and I will quote that 
 email address as soon as I can.

 The Kate Web Site will happen.. :) 
- --
Richard Frost

------------------------------

From: pamsusan@aol.com (PamSusan)
Date: 8 Jan 1996 01:11:24 -0500
Subject: Re: New Jersey: READ THIS!!!!

>> Picture an animal locked into a corner,
>
>Ok, I'm picturing a bunny on a leash in a corner, munching quietly on a 
>sprig of alfalfa. No. Wait. I'm pictuing a brown-eyed cocker spaniel 
>sitting in the corner begging for attention. No. Wait. I'm picturinng a 
>contented old cow in the corner of a pasture chewing her cud in the 
>warmsummer sun. No. Wait....
>
>> this volatile moment is the ambient aura of Dazy Mae.
>
>Volatile moment? Gee, I guess I was picturing the wrong kind of animal. 
>OK, I'm visualizing now. I visualize a rabid Newfoundland chained into a 
>corner. He's being taunted with a stick and is straining to break free 
>from his chain. The chain looks like it's about to break!
>
>Ah, yes, that must be the right image. That surely makes me think of good

>music.

Stuart, have you ever tried to describe a band's sound? I think this
explanation is perfect for Dazy Mae's sound!

>>The band's influences range from "rock dinosaurs" like Pink Floyd (and
their >>contemporaries),
>
>Dinosaurs? DINOSAURS? Oh great, make me feel old, thank you very much. 
>You probbly think anything produced before 1990 is fodder for the Oldies 
>stations.

Dazy Mae is a young band, in fact the oldest member of the band is 20
years old, to them these bands are "dinosaurs". I am sure the statement
was made so that their publicist could give an example of their ages.

>>to the likes of Smashing Pumpkins and Throwing Muses.
>
>What I want to know is, how do the Muses and the pumpkins feel about
this? 
>Are the pumpkins being smashed *into* the Muses before they're thrown, or

>are these two completely separate acts of violence?

; ) They are two seperate acts of violence LOL

>>Melodic vocals and guitar mix with a tribal rhythm section to create
Dazy >>Mae's distinct sound. 
>
>Tribal rhythm section.
>"Listen to those drums, Tonto. The tribe sounds restless."
>"Yes, Kimosabe. They are frightened of the rabid Newfoundland."

Again, have you ever tried to describe a sound?

>>The band members feel that most contemporary pop/rock/alternative music
is
>>lacking melody, hooks, and emotion:  This is why Dazy Mae was formed.
The
>>band's music is a tool to challenge the audience. Listening to Dazy
Mae's
>>current demo or seeing them perform live is a refreshing break from the
>>usual monotony. 
>
>Oh, I see, it's kind of like a public service. "Hey everyone, this is
>how music is supposed to be, just in case you forgot." How kind of
>them. I bet they have discussion breaks after each song.
>
>"You, in the front row, how did that make you feel?"
>
>"Uh, I dunno. OK?"
>
>"No, no, you're not getting into it enough. You there in the red
>shirt, what about you?"
>
>[zap!  A phaser blast disintigrates the red shirt.]
>
>"Damn Star Trek references! You with the purple hair. Can you comment
>on the effectivenes of the tribal rhythm section in that song?"
>
>"Oh, yeah, it was, like, wow. It made me want to kill the white man.
>Cool, man."
>
>"Very good, very good. You're really getting in touch with your inner
>musician." 

Every band is trying to make a statement...to stand out from the rest.
That paragraph is only a description of how they are different. Lighten
up, Stuart!

> 
>> Part of what makes Dazy Mae's sound different from other music in it's
>> genre is the vocals. The melodic verses seem to rise above the
>> instrumentation. The reason for this is that their vocalist, Sarah
Yates,
>> is a classically trained soprano.
>
>Oh, so she's read Aristotle, you mean?

No, Sarah has an amazinglu beautiful voice, and she is trained to sing
soprano in classical music. 

>> 
>> Dazy Mae is a band that has something to offer any music lover.
>
>All, right! Now we're talking. Just mail whatever it is to 
>
>PO Box 496
>Moxahala, OH 43761-0496
>
>Make checks payable to Stuart M. Castergine!

Stuart, get a life

>> There is a
>> place for them in the music of the 1990's, and for many years to
>>come.
>
>Yes, there's also a place for Michael Bolton in the music of the '90s.
>It's not just not polite to say what it is.

We all enjoy different music, obviously you wouldn't enjoy Dazy Mae: 
Point Made!

>And heaven has a place for those who pray. Hey, hey hey.
>Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson...

>> Dazy Mae play at various clubs and events within the New York
metropolitan
>> area.

I caught their show at the Pony and I can say that they were great. If you
get the chance to check them out, please do. Sarah Yates is an amazing
vocalist!

------------------------------

From: me@whocares.com (del)
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 96 07:30:50 GMT
Subject: for kate bush

when i first listened to kate bush, i fell in love with her voice and her 
music.  i discovered "hounds" at a very difficult time in my life, and it was 
comforting.  it helped me to find things in myself that i didn't know were 
there.  about six years ago, i wrote to kate bush via the kbc.  i don't even 
remember what i wrote.  except for one thing.  now, 2 years after the release 
of trs, i find myself wondering if she read that letter herself.  i never 
really thought that she would.  in the letter was a small request.  one that i 
thought would never happen.  but it did on the second side of trs.  so, kate, 
if you read this newsgroup, did you actually read that letter?  i don't want 
to leave my name, but i live in murray, ky.  if you did i hope you remember, 
and if you do remember, tell me what it was i asked of you.  the only reason i 
want to know is because i think it's cool if you actually read your fan mail. 
and that should be added to the long list of things that should people should 
respect about you.  trust me, i'm not a quack...just curious.

all the best to everyone,
d

------------------------------

From: Wieland Willker <willker@chemie.uni-bremen.de>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 14:09:08 -0100
Subject: TRS

Subject: TRS and influences

IED wrote on Jan. 3rd:
> The whole second side of TRS, in IED's opinion, may be heard as a kind of
> musical tribute to some of Kate's early musical influences. 

Hmmm. I can't hear a real Steely Dan simmilarity here, but I'm not an
expert.

What I'm really interested in is, which songs did she wrote before and
which after her mother's death. This seems to be one of the greatest, if
not THE greatest break in her life and it might be interesting to know
which songs have been created after this traumatic experience. 
Though she wrote "Alive and kicking", I'm not completely sure about this.
At least not around 1993/94. But time is a great healer. I hope for her. 

Best wishes
    Wieland


------------------------------

From: Wieland Willker <willker@chemie.uni-bremen.de>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 14:12:25 -0100
Subject: KateFans

Remember yourself (Gurdjieff)
KateFan-Types (from Neil Calton/Ron Hill, Jan. 1992)

BEGINNER 

- - thinks Pat Benetar wrote Wuthering Heights 
- - insecure with the concept of a Kate Newsgroup 
- - has yet to learn the names of the albums 
- - hasn't figured out yet how to get anything not sold in Tower 

NOVICE 

- - knows that Kate Bush has had some hit singles and albums 
- - uses the KT abbreviation, but calls it 'knight' 
- - has heard of the KBC but never joined it 
- - has had his first bad experience with 'rec.music.gaffa' 
- - is wondering if there are any Kate recordings he doesn't have 
- - is wondering why the person next to him seems to like Kate so much 
- - thinks that 'gaffa' is a brand of oranges 

FAN 

- - posts to 'rec.music.gaffa', but inexpertly 
- - has heard of 'the demo-tapes' but never seen them 
- - goes to record fairs to search for rare items 
- - has figured out what all the HOL type abbreviations mean 
- - is wondering how to get a subscription to Homeground 
- - has attempted to write to Kate and decided to stick with News 
- - thinks that 'gaffa' can only refer to "gaffa's tape" 

KNOWLEDGEABLE FAN 

- - uses 'rec.music.gaffa' without trouble, and is beginning to answer
  questions  
- - is wondering how to get hold of some bootlegs  
- - thinks that 'IED' is an AI program  
- - has figured out who 'Ken' and 'The G.L.C.' are  
- - has learned that reading interviews doesn't help know the "real" Kate  
- - types in short reviews from magazines  
- - has formulated an opinion on the meaning of 'gaffa' but doesn't like to
  say  
- - thinks that 'rec.music.misc' is for wimps 

EXPERT 

- - knows the titles of every song Kate has written 
- - posts news about Kate at every possible opportunity 
- - transcribes multi-page interviews 
- - has figured out what the secret messages in Kate's songs are 
- - once wrote a poem about Kate 
- - thinks that human history started with 'The Kick Inside' 
- - posts his theory of the meaning of 'gaffa' every other month 
- - discusses Kate's dancing technique without embarrassment 

FANATIC 

- - talks about backward-masking with comfort 
- - quotes undocumented facts about Kate's life 
- - compiles his own collection of Kate facts and interviews 
- - buys only UK pressings because he doesn't trust the others 
- - can answer questions about Kate's studio equipment 
- - writes his own interpretations of Kate's songs to supplement standard ones 
- - writes pieces for Homeground 

GURU 

- - argues with IED and |>oug with comfort 
- - writes long treatises on the literary references in Kate's songs 
- - customizes printed interviews by inserting comments 
  on the intervier's ignorance 
- - reads "The Garden" and "Cloudbusting" with his breakfast 
- - can answer any Kate question after a little thought 
- - has learned how to contact Kate's close friends and relatives 

WIZARD 

- - quotes from any Kate interview you mention 
- - can answer any question on Kate before you ask 
- - writes his own biography of Kate 
- - is on a first-name basis with Del, Paddy and Kate 

(Ron Hill added these:)

DEMO-GOD 

- - Knows more about Kate then Del does. 
- - Has figured out remaining unknown secret messages, but won't say 
- - Knows what Donald Sutherland wrote on the paper in Cloudbusting 
- - Is already in line for the next tour. 
- - Thinks IED is a "Kate wimp" 
- - Writes long articles that only other DEMO-GODs can comprehend. 
- - Won't read Cloudbusting because he's already read EVERY interview. 
- - Is upset cause he's never quite made KATE-GOD 
- - Thinks GAFFA is slow in getting news out, compared to his sources. 
- - Can't control his temper when some says "THE Hounds Of Love" 
Wieland adds:
- - can identify Kate on "Sing, Children Sing" using online-FFT. 

KATE-GOD 

- - Knows more about Kate then Kate does. 

KATE 

- - Is Kate herself. 
- - Can point out lies in Cloudbusting book 
- - Knows what Gaffa REALLY meant. 

KATE'S MUM AND DAD 

- - Created Kate. 
- - Knows the words to the early songs that Kate has forgot. 

- --------
PS: For those who remember: Stev0's simple forerunner of the above joke was
Jorn Barger's "point of no return"! Very funny! 

Best wishes
    Wieland
"Hey, hey jouhoooooo..." 

BTW, what about a 'Seer-dance'? Remember Ron-Cloudbusting-Hills Big Sky
dance event? At one special hour KateFans all over the world will start
dancing like idiots... 



------------------------------

From: Wieland Willker <willker@chemie.uni-bremen.de>
Date: 8 Jan 1996 14:41:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Kate goes shopping

E.L.Brookfield@mmu.ac.uk (E L BROOKFIELD) wrote:
>So she was 
>about to leave when Caroline suddenly burst out with "Can I have your 
>autograph please?"

To all folks in London: PLEASE, ask something else then "Can I have your 
autograph please?"
What about: 
1. How are you?
2. Who is 'George the wipe'?
Then: Follow her and ask and ask and ask... 

Let's make a short 'emergency-list' for those cases!
Lern the questions by heart and make sure that you can ask them in EVERY 
situation! :-)

Best wishes
    Wieland




------------------------------

From: Rolf Peukert <Rolf.Peukert@Theoinf.TU-Ilmenau.DE>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 96 16:48:57 0100
Subject: Re: KateFans

Hi,

willker@chemie.uni-bremen.de (Wieland Willker) wrote:
>
>Remember yourself (Gurdjieff)
>KateFan-Types (from Neil Calton/Ron Hill, Jan. 1992)
>
>BEGINNER 
>
>- thinks Pat Benetar wrote Wuthering Heights 
                 ^ 
this qualifies you as a beginner level Pat Benatar fan :-)
So you're in good company with the layout staff at Chrysalis Records,
they printed "Pat Banatar" on one of her CDs...
[sorry, couldn't resist]


>KNOWLEDGEABLE FAN 
>
>- uses 'rec.music.gaffa' without trouble, and is beginning to answer
>  questions  
>- is wondering how to get hold of some bootlegs  
>- thinks that 'IED' is an AI program  
>- has figured out who 'Ken' and 'The G.L.C.' are  
>- has learned that reading interviews doesn't help know the "real" Kate  
>- types in short reviews from magazines  
>- has formulated an opinion on the meaning of 'gaffa' but doesn't like to
>  say  

wasn't that like the universe in HHGTTG ? 
if anybody ever finds an exact definition of Gaffa, this group will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something more complex.


My first step to become a knowledgeable fan:

German HiFi magazine Audio had Kate Bush among their "midprice tips"
in issue 1/96:
"The Dreaming" wasn't one of her hit albums, but in songs like "Suspended
In Gaffa" she demonstrated impressively, how modern music should sound
to delight head, belly and feet.
[ok, this was a very short review, and a very clumsy translation...
but i'm working on that]


bye,
 Rolf



------------------------------

From: "Stuart M. Castergine" <scasterg@dispatch.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:58:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Jersey: READ THIS!!!!

On 8 Jan 1996, PamSusan wrote:

> 
> Every band is trying to make a statement...to stand out from the rest.
> That paragraph is only a description of how they are different. Lighten
> up, Stuart!

Uh, that *was* lightened up! I was just having a little fun with the 
post!

> >> instrumentation. The reason for this is that their vocalist, Sarah
> Yates,
> >> is a classically trained soprano.
> >
> >Oh, so she's read Aristotle, you mean?
> 
> No, Sarah has an amazinglu beautiful voice, and she is trained to sing
> soprano in classical music. 

Warning! Warning! Danger, Will Robinson. Our attempts at humor have 
been completely ignored; the alien seems to have interpreted them as a 
hostile action! Raise deflector shields!

Hmmm, Counselor Troi, what is your analysis? Do you sense any humor here?

"I just know something good is going to happen! Just saying it could even 
make it happen!"

Thank you, Troi, that was characteristically useless.

> 
> >> 
> >> Dazy Mae is a band that has something to offer any music lover.
> >
> >All, right! Now we're talking. Just mail whatever it is to 
> >
> >PO Box 496
> >Moxahala, OH 43761-0496
> >
> >Make checks payable to Stuart M. Castergine!
> 
> Stuart, get a life

Can you get those mail order?

> 
> >> There is a
> >> place for them in the music of the 1990's, and for many years to
> >>come.
> >It's not just not polite to say what it is.
> 
> We all enjoy different music, obviously you wouldn't enjoy Dazy Mae: 
> Point Made!

Hey, seriously, chill! I think I probably would like Dazy Mae, I was just 
teasing!

> I caught their show at the Pony and I can say that they were great. If you
> get the chance to check them out, please do. Sarah Yates is an amazing
> vocalist!
> 

I honestly would like to, but I seldom make the 550-mile trip from my 
place in *Ohio* to the NY-NJ area! If they ever tour, maybe.


scasterg@dispatch.com == Stuart M. Castergine        |              ---
All young gentle dreams drowning                     | "Mmm, yes."   |/
In life's grief                                      |               |\
Can you hang on to me? --Kate Bush, _Big Stripey Lie_|


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     Bill Wisner, list moderator,and list,
     
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     and said that she didn't succeed. She had heard that the emailaddress 
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     As you guys might know I have been trying to get off this mailinglist 
     for 6 weeks now. Surprise! I haven't succeeded to get off, no, you're 
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     Bill, just one tip (if you are out there). I have seen on other 
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     SOMEONE (HELLOOOOOO) out there tell me HOW I get off this list.
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     I am not reading the mailinglist anymore.(you know why, I don't want 
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     Barbara
     
     FYI, I have tried Bill Wisner, root, postmaster, majordomo, 
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