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From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 94 17:08 MET
Subject: (diffs) FAQ: rec.music.gaffa - Love-Hounds - Kate Bush
To: love-hounds@uunet.uu.net
Archive-name: music/kate-bush-faq-diffs
Last-modified: 1994/12/31
Version: 1.2.a minus 1.1.m
This is a human understandable 'diff' from previous month's FAQ to this
month's FAQ, excluding cosmetical changes.
If you are on the mailing list (love-hounds) instead of rec.music.gaffa this
is all you will get without further action. The full version is posted to
rec.music.gaffa only. You can get a full copy of the FAQ by requesting it from
me (uli@zoodle.robin.de). If you subscribe to the list (done by sending
email to love-hounds-request@uunet.uu.net) Bill Wisner will also provide you
with the full FAQ. If you can't receive more than 64KB in one piece I can
split the FAQ for you.
All paragraphs which have been changed/added/deleted are listed here,
additional comments in []s. Cosmetical changes aren't listed.
-------------------8<-------------------
1.1. What is rec.music.gaffa?
On August 16, 1985 |>oug /\lan thought it was time to create a
discussion round about Kate Bush and her absolute artistic genius.
[changed '9 years ago' into the actual date]
1.2. What is Love-Hounds?
You can also subscribe by using other networks: America Online,
Compuserve, MCI-Mail, FidoNet, SprintMail, GENIE, Peacenet, Prodigy,
Bix, Envoy-100, Connect, and others. You might have to find out how
to reach the Internet. On Compuserve this works by adding ">INTERNET:"
in front of the addresses. Delphi and America Online also provide
direct access to the usenet newsgroups, so rec.music.gaffa should be
available directly.
[added some networks & connectivities]
1.5. T-Shirts?
There now is a second edition of The Official Lovehounds-T-Shirt
originally designed by Steve Berlin [SB] who wrote the following lines.
Intergalactic Garage (IGG) is selling them; they're both the exact same
thing. Mary-Helen's shirts are all gone now, so IGG is the only left
source unless someone else is willing to do a third print.
The IGG price is $15.00 + $4.00 p&h (U.S. - ask them for non-U.S.
postage), IGG takes Mastercard & Visa.
IGG has the shirts in M, L, XL, and XXL.
[removed ordering information via Mary-Helen, her shirts are gone now]
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*** 319,356 ****
2.2. Who is Tori Amos?
[rdt...]
The purpose of the list is to discuss and disseminate information about
Tori Amos and her music, and anything else that seems relevant. Due
to the heavy load of discussion and members after the release of Tori's
new album, Under The Pink, Anthony was forced to make the list digest-
only, that is there is no bounce mail. A massive world tour has ended
right now. Watch out for limited editions of Tori's singles, since they
ARE limited and the first UtP one, Cornflake Girl, was quite fast sold
out completely.
[more up-to-date, tour is over now]
There now also is the second Big-7 newsgroup for a female artist, called
rec.music.tori-amos, though it's (unlike love-hounds and r.m.gaffa)
not connected with the mailing list.
[previously gave the impression of rdt & lh being connected, which is untrue]
2.3. Other mailing lists that might be of interest
[I completely reformatted this paragraph, and put an introductionary section
at the beginning which holds for almost all mailing lists on the net]
Generally, mailing lists have a 'subscribe' and a 'post' address. Use
the first address to subscribe, the second to send messages to all people
on the list. Some mailing lists are automated, they require a specific
format for the subscription, in most cases either a 'body' or a 'subject'
line. Body lines are single lines in the main part of the email message,
while subject lines are, well, subject lines. The subscription address
is also used for UNsubscribing, those messages shouldn't go to the
post:-addresses. 'Body:' means that the following text has to be send
as a body line, 'Subject:' means it's the subject line. 'Your Name' means
your real name, not your email address, 'your@address' means your email
address. Sometimes several lines for several services are given.
Sometimes alternate (often shorter) addresses are available too.
If a list is maintained manually it's noted as 'Manually'. You should
be more friendly then, and expect some reaction time (like nights,
weekends, holidays) where noone is available.
Roy Harper - Stormcock (Stormcock is the name of his "classic" album)
subscribe: listserv@qmw.ac.uk
Body: subscribe stormcock Your Name
contact: stormcock-request@qmw.ac.uk
post: stormcock@qmw.ac.uk
Peter Gabriel - gabriel
subscribe: listserv@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Body: subscribe gabriel Your Name
Body: help
post: gabriel@merle.acns.nwu.edu
..
Bjork/Sugarcubes - blue-eyed-pop
subscribe: listserver@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Body: subscribe blue-eyed-pop Your Name
post: blue-eyed-pop@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Sarah McLachlan - fumbling-towards-ecstasy
subscribe: listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Body: SUB fumbling-towards-ecstasy Your Name
post: fumbling-towards-ecstasy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Loreena McKennitt - Old Ways
subscribe: old-ways-request@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com
Manually. There's also a NEWS only version of Old Ways,
filtered by the list admin Christian Walters, tell him if
you want less mail.
post: old-ways@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com
Jane Siberry - Siblings
subscribe: majordomo@underground.irhe.upenn.edu
Body: subscribe siblings
post: siblings@underground.irhe.upenn.edu
Bel Canto - dewy-fields
subscribe: dewy-fields-request@ifi.uio.no
Manually
post: dewy-fields@ifi.uio.no
k.d. Lang
subscribe: majordomo@world.std.com
Body: subscribe k-d-lang your@address
Milla - Reaching From Nowhere
subscribe: majordomo@world.std.com
Body: subscribe reaching-from-nowhere
post: reaching-from-nowhere@world.std.com
Suzanne Vega - Undertow
subscribe: undertow-request@law.emory.edu
Body: subscribe undertow
Body: subscribe undertow-digest
post: undertow@law.emory.edu
[attention! Undertow's addresses changed!]
Bobo In White Wooden Houses - White House
[this mailing list is basically a German language list,
though English discussions are also welcome]
subscribe: white-house-request@wupper.de
Subject: subscribe
post: white-house@wupper.de
[the following mailing lists are new in this FAQ]
Mylene Farmer - Libertine
subscribe: listserv@cc.mcgill.ca
Body: subscribe libertine Your Name
post: libertine@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Zap Mama
subscribe: dave@tyrell.net
Subject: SUBSCRIBE ZAPMAMA
Indigo Girls
subscribe: indigo-girls-request@indigo.mese.com
indigo-girls-digest-request@indigo.mese.com
post: indigo-girls@indigo.mese.com
Julia Fordham
subscribe: mlwood@u.washington.edu
Manually
post: ff@u.washington.edu
Cyndi Lauper - Shebop
subscribe: shebop-request@law.emory.edu
Body: subscribe shebop
post: shebop@law.emory.edu
3.2. Flamewars & abbreviations
Abbreviations commonly used on Love-Hounds include common Usenet
conventions such as IMHO (In My Humble Opinion), ROFL (Rolling on the
floor laughing), as well as sideways faces, known as "smilies" such
as :-). Also used here are the initials of Kate's songs, such as RUTH
for Running Up That Hill (sometimes known as DwG for Deal with God ;^).
[wording changed, you could think we've been the only ones using IMHO & ;-)]
A new one commonly seen is /+) or |X( or any combination, such
as |+). This is, of course, Kate's film "The Line, the Cross, and
The Curve" (Sometimes abbreviated to the less cryptic-looking TLTCTC).
[How long did you need to figure out what [-/|\][xX+][(Uu)] means? ;-) ]
[What is [-/|\][xX+][(Uu)]??? Answer: abbreviation for any of the following:]
-x( -xU -xu -x) -X( -XU -Xu -X) -+( -+U -+u -+)
/x( /xU /xu /x) /X( /XU /Xu /X) /+( /+U /+u /+)
|x( |xU |xu |x) |X( |XU |Xu |X) |+( |+U |+u |+)
\x( \xU \xu \x) \X( \XU \Xu \X) \+( \+U \+u \+)
4.1. Kate Bush - her career and Kate as a human being
Yes, she appeared on Saturday Night Live on December 9, 1978 (With
host Eric Idle of Monty Python fame), but the tape you can purchase of
that show has her edited out! Yes, that's Donald Sutherland in the
Cloudbusting video. No, we don't have her home address!
[Included Eric Idle reference]
No, it was not Kate Bush but rather Kate Simmons who appeared nude in
Penthouse several years ago. (These pictures were also used on the
bootleg Dreamtime.)
[Creeps up at least twice a year, hence it IS a FAQ]
4.2. Tours
Kate's only Tour (the "Tour of Life") happened in 1979, and fans old
enough to experience this first hand are the lucky ones. Kate never
said she won't ever tour again, but don't expect anything.
[removed Steve's list of reasons why there haven't been anymore tours]
4.4. Basic Discography/Videography
Early in November the next and last set of singles for The Red Shoes
appeared, again in the UK only: And So Is Love. Two CD singles (regular
and with 3 video-prints), a Cassingle and a 7" picture single in a poster
bag (giant 40"x60" poster) have appeared.
[adjusted to what really happened]
The Line, The Cross, and The Curve finally appeared on video and should
be available in good shops around the world.
[anyone found it in Japan??]
The Cathy Demos (30 early songs, ca. 1975-77???, a MUST for every fan)
Five of these are demos of songs that later appeared on albums.
They are available on various bootlegs. (Anybody have an early 80's
album called THE EARLY YEARS?).
Tracks (compiled from various boots - none contains all. The names
are not officially known, so there are some songs with more than one
name. Some names are from a radio broadcast in Arizona [KLN], the
matching was done by [AR]): The Kick Inside (Brother) [note subtitle],
Hammer Horror, It Hurts Me (A Rose Growing Old, Feeling Like A Waltz),
Keep(ing) Me Waiting (Stranded at the Moonbase), Davy (While Davy
Dozed), Disbelieving Angel, Don't Push Your Foot On The
Heartbrake, Kite, L'Amour Looks Something Like You, Strange
Phenomena, Scares Me Silly (Really Gets Me Going), Moving, Babooshka
(2 versions), Kashka From Baghdad, Surrender Into the Roses (Coming Up,
Carmilla), Oh To Be In Love, Rinfi the Gypsy (Playing Canasta (in cold
rooms)), On Fire Inside a Snowball (Snow, Hot in the Ice), Dali (Ferry
Me Over), Where are the Lionhearts (Lionhearts, On the Rocks) [NOT Oh
England My Lionheart], Violin, The Craft Of Love, The Gay Farewell
(Queen Eddie), Something Like a Song (In My Garden), Frightened Eyes,
Never The Less (You'll Do), Come Closer To Me Babe (Goodnight Baby),
So Soft, Rare Flower (I Don't See Why I Shouldn't (Pick the Rare
Flower), Organic Acid
[Included Karen L. Newcombe's and Andrew Russ' (re)discoveries]
Lionheart (LH, November 13, 1978):
Quick follow-up to TKI, but still true Kate, i.e. great stuff.
This album now is available in a special $80 "Lioness At Heart"
edition, which includes a T-shirt, an album sized photo book, a
poster and a postcard. It's out of print now, and you might have to
search a bit. Caveat Emptor: This boxed set, while not really a
bootleg in the traditional sense, in not in any way authorized by
Kate or EMI.
Tracks: Symphony In Blue, In Search Of Peter Pan, Wow, Don't Push
Your Foot On The Heartbrake, Oh England My Lionheart, Fullhouse, In
The Warm Room, Kashka From Baghdad, Coffee Homeground, Hammer Horror
Never For Ever (NfE, September 8, 1980):
Shows the beginning of Kate's career as a producer and a general
change of style away from the girlish high pitched voice from the
first two albums.
This album is also available in a special edition similar to the
"A Lioness At Heart" box. Also out of print it additionally includes
a numbered certificate. Again, this is not an official re-packaging.
Tracks: Babooshka, Delius (Song Of Summer), Blow Away (For Bill), All
We Ever Look For, Egypt, The Wedding List, Violin, The Infant Kiss,
Night Scented Stock, Army Dreamers, Breathing
[Included info about the boxed sets not being official repackagings]
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*** 709,756 ****
This Woman's Work Boxed Set (TWW, 1990).
The LP and Cassette version of this box have 9 LPs/CCs, but the same
track listing.
[inserted, anyone have the 9CC box to confirm this?]
The Line, The Cross, and The Curve (1994):
The new 50 minutes film around 6 songs from the album The Red Shoes.
TLTC&TC is the first "full length" film Kate directed (even though it
is only 43 minutes long, "full length" is used to distinguish it from
the music videos Kate directed). The plot is basically an extended
telling of the lyrics of the the title cut to "The Red Shoes". The
film stars not only Kate, but Miranda Richardson (from "The Crying
Game"), Lindsay Kemp (Kate's mime tutor and mentor), and Lily (of whom
the song Lily was written for).
Tracks: Rubberband Girl, And So is Love, The Red Shoes, Lily, Moments
of Pleasure, Eat the Music
[included here]
Other official video tapes/laserdiscs which contain some Kate (some are
PAL only):
The Awards (1993):
This video tape contains the Rocket Man video.
Tracks: Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody, U2 - Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild
Horses, Annie Lennox - Walking On Broken Glass, Rod Stewart - Rhythm Of
My Heart, Simply Red - For Your Babies, George Michael - Too Funky,
Lisa Stansfield - Time To Make You Mine, Prince And The New Power
Generation - Sexy MF, En Vogue - Free Your Mind, Arrested Development -
People Everyday, Right Said Fred - Deeply Dippy, The Shamen - Bass
Drum, Erasure - Lay All Your Love On Me, KWS - Please Don't Go,
Undercover - Baker Street, Dina Carroll - Ain't No Man, Curtis Stigers
- I Wonder Why, Shakespears Sister - Stay, Take That - A Million Love
Songs, Enya - The Celts, Tori Amos - Crucify, R.E.M. - Drive, Deacon
Blue - Your Town, The Cure - Friday, I'm In Love, Crowded House -
Weather With You, k.d. lang - Constant Craving, Tasmin Archer -
Sleeping Satellite, Joe Cocker - Feels Like Forever, Eric Clapton - Bad
Love, Kate Bush - Rocket Man, Elton John - The One
[found track listing - thanks Chris'n'Vickie!]
- And So Is Love (UK CD single/7" single/Cassingle)
- Rubberband Girl (US mix)
- Eat The Music 12" version (not on 7"/Cassingle)
[newest single added to official stuff not in the This Woman's Work boxed set]
4.9. Kate Bush World Wide Web (WWW) pages
Experiment IV, the Kate Bush Home Page:
hhtp://www.jrc.flinders.edu.au/ExpIV/
Thanks for Richard Frost <rfrost@jrc.flinders.edu.au> for setting
this up, this is the definitive Kate Bush Web Page. It's still
under construction, but it is a one-stop center for all your
Kate information needs.
(This page might be down at the moment.)
The Kate Bush Musical Extraveganza:
http://actor.cs.vt.edu/~wentz/index.html
This is done by Brian Wentz <wentz@vt.edu>, and mostly features
digitized songs by Kate (two from each album), and a digitized
interview(!) - which, at 10 Meg, is not for those with less-than
robust computers.
Cloudbusting: Kate Bush in Her Own Words
http://scott.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~rjc/hyper_cloud/cloudbusting.html
This is Ron Hill's Cloudbusting, re-formatted to HTML (A Hypertext
language), as well as a lot of other stuff.
Lionheart
http://136.169.23.78/Lionheart.html
Run by Stuart Wilsdon, this site has lots of digitized photos and
other stuff.
Sony Music's Kate Bush Web Page
http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/KateBush.html
This is a rather skimpy page, mostly covering information in this FAQ.
Sony Music is the label Kate has been signed with in America since
The Sensual World.
Ultimate Band List Kate Card
http://american.recordings.com/cgi-bin/ubl?card+1032
This page links to all the above URL's and several other Kate-related
recources on the Internet (including rec.music.gaffa).
To use these services you need a direct internet connection and a WWW
client, for example Mosaic. WWW is a worldwide multimedia hypertext
document system where you basically can use your mouse to navigate
through myriads of documents all somehow linked to each other.
[Changed name of section, X4 isn't the only WWW home page about Kate anymore,
thanks to Steve Berlin for writing & researching this!]
5.6. Hounds of Love
Hello Earth:
At the end of "Hello, Earth" the German words are: "Tiefer, tiefer,
irgendwo in der Tiefe gibt es ein Licht" This means: "deeper, deeper,
somewhere in the depth there is a light." They are not spoken by
Kate, but by Gabi Zangerl, a friend of Kate.
The choir part of this song was inspired by Werner Herzog's film
Nosferatu that features a very similar chant. Recently it became known
that the chant originates from Georgia, it's a traditional lyrical song
from Kakheti-Kartli, the easternmost region of the (former Soviet)
Republic of Georgia, the area around Tbilisi, the capital. The song is
actually best transliterated as "tsintsqaro" (At the Spring, By the
Source or At the Well), a boy meets girl love song. You might find this
song, also spelled as Tshintsharo or Zinzgaro, on some CDs with
traditional Georgian music (eg "The Marvels of Polyphony in
Sakartvelo", CD Ethnic Sound Series #17, Victor, Japan 1987). [W, CHB]
[It's not unknown anylonger where those chants originate from!]
5.8. The Red Shoes
Moments of Pleasure
This song is Kate's tribute of several of her friends who've
passed away. Murph is Alan Murphy, her guitarist who died in
1993(?) of AIDS. Bill is Bill Duffy, the lighting technician
for The Tour of Life, who died in an accident while setting up
for the tour. No one (except Kate, as far as I know - [SB])
knows who anyone else is in this song, especially "George the
Wipe". The verse about the "balcony in New York" refers to her
meeting of Michael Powell, director of the film "The Red Shoes".
[new entry]
5.9. Miscellaneous
Fruitopia Commercials
Kate did the music for nine commericials only seen on American TV
for Fruitopia, a line of fruit drinks produced by Minute Maid (which
is a subsidiary of the Coca-Cola company). There was also a longer
advertisement seen in movie theatres which Kate also did the music
for.
[moved here from discography place]
6. The Archives
[I changed most of the addresses in the archive section to URL format.
Since this involves lots of paragraphs without lots of new information, I
skipped it here.]
7. Credits
The history of this FAQ starts with Jorn Barger writing a first FAQ for
rec.music.gaffa/Love-Hounds. Later Ron Hill continued maintaining it.
After Ron stopped to post I (i.e. Uli Grepel) continued this with a
halfway rewrite. Even if I've written a lot of the stuff above it's not
all my knowledge, it's yours, since I've pulled most of it from
rec.music.gaffa itself. To list the contributors in finest detail would
be impossible, since there are so many, especially of those who 'just
pointed out some errors' to me. Steve Berlin, who spell checked it,
and wrote small (very small - [SB]) parts of this FAQ.
Some contributors that I somehow do remember (feel free to suggest more,
I'll verify it...):
AR: Andrew Russ <endwar@phys.psu.edu>
CHB "Charles H. Baum" <au766@freenet.carleton.ca>
JAC: James Alexander Chokey <jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU>
KLN: "Karen L. Newcombe" <kln@crl.com>
SB: Steve Berlin <steve.b@TQS.COM>
TC: The Crow <thecrow@eskimo.com>
TC2: Tippi Chai <aj796@freenet.carleton.ca>
W: Willtre <willtre@aol.com>
YS: Yamamoto Sozo
[AR, CHB, KLN and W are new entries, Steve Berlin worked a lot on it too]
Bye,
Uli
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