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From: rhill@pnet01.cts.com (Ronald Hill)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1991 23:16:01 -0700
Subject: Kate's Religious Views
To: crash!wiretap.Spies.COM!Love-Hounds@nosc.mil
PHILOSOPHY ---------- I try to work on myself spiritually, and am always trying to improve my outlook on life. We really abuse all that we've got, assuming that we are so superior as beings, taking the liberty of sticking cement stuff all over the place. I think there is a lot to astrology, and the effect the moon has upon us all, but I hate the way it's becoming so trendy now. I'm a vegetarian, and now that's trendy as well...but what annoys me the most is the way people are so automatically cynical about astrology. I mean, the Greeks put an incredible amount of hard work into carefully planned geometric charts, based purely on mathematics. People just shrug it off. It's the same with coincidence, as I said in the song "Strange Phenomena". (1978, The Blossoming Ms. Bush) I ASKED KATE IF SHE WAS INTO THE OCCULT OR ASTROLOGY OR ANYTHING, COS THE WORDS AND BAT-DEMON VISUALS SOMETIMES SUGGEST A BIT OF A FASCINATION WITH ALL THAT, BUT DREW A BLANK. HOWEVER, I do believe in spirits, and I also believe that people communicate by much more than word of mouth. There are people like beacons sitting on top of hills. You must have some friends that you can just feel calling you some days. They're just saying "help!" and you pick it up. (1980, Zigzag) HOW IMPORTANT ARE MATERIAL THINGS TO YOU, AND DO YOU ENJOY HAVING MONEY? I think I've just started enjoying money. It's very useful. But I'd like to think that I don't depend on it. Alot of things I do do, like an album, without money I wouldn't be able to record an album. But I would still be able to write the songs again. But you know there is something great about making an album. IS THERE ONE MATERIAL THING ABOVE ALL OTHERS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? No, nothing material, no. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, SPIRITUAL OR OTHERWISE, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE? Oh yeah! Now that's a completely different area. That's huge. You see the material is so superficial, and it really doesn't matter. What it's good for is comforts. And it can help you sorta get things done quicker, that sort of thing. The other side is the real side, that's the real riches of your life. And I've got a long long way to go there, I mean spiritually, as a person. And a lot of things in my behavior pattern that I would love to change. So that I could... [LIKE] WHAT? Very personal things. I don't really you could even put a label on them, little behavior things that I know I do that are stopping me from doing more things. Like maybe a certain kind of laziness I have about certain things - I think oh no [MAKES LAZY MOTION]. If I could make the effort again in these little areas I could be getting more. Things like that. (1980, Profiles In Rock) MANY OF YOUR SONGS CONTAIN REFERENCES TO OCCULT AND ESOTERIC PHILOSOPHY. IS THIS A PARTICULAR INTEREST OF YOURS, OR ARE YOU JUST WIDELY READ? I don't think I am particularly interested in the occult, but I do have an interest in the human mind, and the unusual situations that occur, or are said to occur, to human beings in extreme religious or spiritual states. But surely we all have a curiosity for things that we know little about. (1984, KBC 16) YOU TALK ABOUT ENERGIES QUITE A LOT. DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO A PARTICULAR THEORY OR RELIGION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? [LAUGHING] Subscribe to a monthly manual. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. No, I don't, really. But I do think certain things help, like I think trying to be positive about things is a very helpful thing. It can just stop you getting down, and to try and enjoy things if you can. But I don't have any kind of religious beliefs, really. (1985, Picture Disk) HAVE YOU ANY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS? No. not, not ones that I could name. I mean, I do believe in certain... I suppose, cause and effect is something that I would believe in a bit, but whether they're religious beliefs, I don't know. "CAUSE AND EFFECT" - EXPLAIN THAT. Well, I think if you behave I a certain way, then that energy will come back to you. the boomerang syndrome. SO THE MORE POSITIVE ONE IS IN THEIR THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS, THE MORE POSITIVE LIFE THEY WILL LEAD? AND VICE VERSA? Ah, yes, I would...i think there is a lot in that. I think there's also a lot in that if you are positive and can be, even if things around you aren't necessarily coming back, at least you cope with them better.: so you think there's this sort of powerful force behind it all? yes, I think it's actually a survival technique, a self-preservation where if you can always keep coming back, keep coming up again, not staying down there, then you're going to get a lot more done, you're going to be a lot more in control of what's happening than if you're depressed, unhappy. (1985, Conversation Series 1) RELIGION -------- WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ABOUT THE CHURCH AND RELIGION? It is a very powerful, widely influential force that has extreme good and bad effects on people. (1984, KBC 17) WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT NOW. DO YOU SEE A CONNECTION BETWEEN MYSTICISM AND SCIENCE? I don't know, I'm sure there is. I think there's a connection between everything, I think everything is linked up somehow, you just got to find where they meet. DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A RELIGIOUS PERSON? That's a question that I get asked a lot. Some people come in, they're so convinced that I'm of a particular order. [LAUGHS] And I think everyone has something in them that is seeking some kind of religion, but whether I call myself a religious person - I don't think so, no. But I think I am fascinated by religious imagery, I think most people are. And it's one of those things that has an incredibly extreme effect on people and that, from a writer's point of view, is fascinating. (1985, MTV) HAVE YOU DEFINED YOUR RELIGIOUS FEELINGS? No, I don't think so. I was a Roman Catholic and brought up in Roman Catholic schools. I would never say I was a strict follower of Roman Catholic belief, but a lot of the images are in there; they have to be,they're so strong. Such powerful beautiful, passionate images! There's a lot of suffering in Roman Catholicism. I think I'm looking for not necessarily religion, but ways of helping myself to become more understanding, more complete, a happier person-what we all want in life. But I really don't think I've found a niche. (1990, Q Special) AND SOME OTHER QUOTES: And it was the same sort of thing with Waking the Witch on the new album. What fascinated me in doing that song was the idea of a witch-hunter hiding behind the priesthood, as a guise, and coming to get this woman who isn't a witch, but he wants to make her so. The girl closes her eyes to get away from it and goes to a church where it's safe and secure. You know, churches are supposed to be places of sanctuary and their doors are never shut, even perhaps for people being chased by the Devil; but the priest turns out to be the witch-hunter. I didn't really have any heavy experiences like those that the song is about. It's based very much on other people's imagery of Roman Catholicism which I've found fascinating--you know, the kind of oppression, even madness, it can create, I suppose, in some people. And it's much more that, really, than any personal experience of my own. My school was Roman Catholic, so there was a big emphasis on religion, but it wasn't incredibly strict, and I didn't really go to church an awful lot, so I don't think the experience of religion was as heavy for me as for a lot of people..." Do you lead your life by any sort of set rules or set standards. K: Oh, yeah. I have what I call my own religion. I think everyone's got their own religion. They are various certain things I stick by. Ed: Such as? K: Such as not eating meat. Such as trying to be aware of people around me and doing my work and trying to be positive about it. I think being positive is very important. Ed: Good. I wonder if Jim Belhouse is positive up their in Inbakeyhee. [Kate Laughs] Jim: Very Positive! [Kate laughs] Ed: Very positive, are you Jim? Jim: Ah, yes. Hello Kate! K: Hello. Jim: There's just one thing I'd like to say just before I start talking to Kate. I'd like to, on behalf of myself and my family, thank Radio 1 for making it possible that we are able to speak to Kate tonight. And I praise God, you know, because there is only one and He's in charge of all of us. [Kate Laughs] And I'd like to thank all the BBC and the trouble that they've gone to in putting on this program. Ed: Thank you. You're not the head of Radio Scotland are you? [Kate laughs] Jim: Ah, well you've heard of Brother Jim? Ed: [Laughs] Anyway Jim. Thanks for your call. Was there anything you wanted to ask Kate? Jim: Well, I would like to ask Kate... Well I believe I already have the answer... I would like to ask Kate if she believes in God? K: Believe in God? Well I think there are a lot of Gods and I certainly believe in my God, but I wonder if it's the same God as yours. Jim: Well, I believe that it is. Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ? K: I believe in him, but he's not the one I live my life by, I must admit. Jim: We, as Christians, we do believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and I know for a fact that if you believe in God and he has it written that the only way to him is through the Lord Jesus Christ then I believe that your God is the same as mine. K: So do I. I believe if you believe in anything... I mean if God is really... I hate to say this because it sounds blasphemous, but God is in fact some kind of label for people to put all their belief and love into. And I think that if people put all their belief and love into other people and what they're doing, then I think you do find it, I think you do reach an aim. Ed: Alright, Kate. Thank you Jim for your call! Jim: Well, um... Ed: No, um we've got loads of calls on the line so I'll have to cut your short there. But that you very much for your interest. K: Thanks, Jim! Ed: There he goes, alright back to you Sue. There are probably more quotes that I haven't added into the next edition yet. UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!rhill ARPA: crash!pnet01!rhill@nosc.mil INET: rhill@pnet01.cts.com