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2.2d. - "Moments of Pleasure" - Single/Song

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From: ***SEMPSY*** <cmh205@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 11:27:29 +0100
Subject: Next single

The next single in the UK is supposed to be 'Moments Of Pleasure' and will be released supposedly on November 15th. I suspect EMI are releasing it in view of the Christmas charts, very cynical, but then most record companies are only interested in money! People may disagree but I think the single will do as well as TWW did, ie everybody you meet likes it but don't buy it!!


From: P D Fitzgerald-Morris <s0pdfm@assam.exnet.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 16:46:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Next single

There will be a new track on the B-side

"Show a little Devotion"


From: allan.balliett@his.com (Allan Balliett)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:59:34
Subject: MoP Track Listings

The announced track listing for the ltd Moments of Pleasure box CD-5 is:

  1. Moments
  2. Show a Little Devotion
  3. December Will Be Magick Again (anyone know if this is Bongo version?)
  4. Experiment IV


Release date - 2nd Monday in November (tentative!!)


From: Scott Telford <s.telford@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:49:24 GMT
Subject: Moments of Pleasure single

The MoP single is out now in the UK (and I'm listening to it now, thanks to a handy Sun CD-ROM drive, WorkMan and Evan's walkman headphones 8-). The track list is

  1. Moments (5:20)
  2. Show a Little Devotion (4:18)
  3. December will be Magic Again (4:49)
  4. Experiment IV (4:24)

So it seems the EMI have changed their mind since Homeground got their inside scoop (this *isn't* the box edition). CD-single cat number is CDEM297. I don't think DwbMA is the "bongos" version, but I've only ever heard it on a video of the "Kate" Xmas special, so I may be wrong. EIV seems like the album mix. SaLD sounds very, umm, commercial at the moment, but polished.

The cover has a very nice photo of KaTe (smiling!) hitching up her skirts and trampling on flaming skeletons (huh?), against a red/purple background - would make an excellent poster. I haven't seen the EtM video but from the descriptions I've read, it sounds similar.


Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1993 18:54:02 MET
From: meullemees@cal.enst.fr
Subject: A new song of Kate??? (SALD)


I've been yesterday in a shop that is famous for its numerous imports of CD. Of course I first checked that there were no new CD of Kate. I had already bought TRS,and two 4-songs-CD whose titles are RG and EtM. But I found an other one in fact two!

The first one has perhaps already been presented on the list, it contains 2 CD: the one with RG and an other one with an interview of Kate. The 2nd one (IMHO the most interesting one) had 4 tracks:

  1. Moments of pleasure
  2. Show a little devotion
  3. December will be magic again
  4. Experiment IV

I might say something wrong, but SaLD seems to be a recent song (at least I didn't knew it): the way Kate sings reminds me of her latest albums, whereas DWBMA sounds really like one of her "old" songs. I find SaLD really amazing. So I can just advice you to look after the CD.


"Moments of Pleasure" (the song)


[see also: 'Aspel' performance Section ! ]

From: Scott Telford <s.telford@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:51:39 GMT
Subject: Spinning in a chair at Abbey Road....

I've been working my way through The Garden recently, and in one of JCB's articles for the KBC magazine, decribing the recording of Never For Ever, he mentions some of the things KaTe and other denizens of Abbey Road at that time would get up to:

"...Kate acts as a focus for many people with ideas, and the conversation in the studio could be as absurd as wondering how many times the record-holder managed to spin round in his chair without his feet touching the ground, to the latest on the Quantum theories..."

So I guess that's where the line in "Moments of Pleasure" comes from. However, I still don't know who "Teddy" was (not listed in the credits on NFE).


From: Scott Telford <s.telford@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:22:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Spinning in a chair at Abbey Road....

Woops, should have waited before I said that. In KaTe's article for issue 7 of the KBC magazine, again about NFE, she refers to Jon Kelly (recording engineer), herself and John Barrett (Abbey Road engineer?) as "Andy Pandy", "Loopy Lou" and "Teddy" respectively - three characters from an old BBC childrens' show.

While I'm here, there's another mention of the album in Melody Maker this week. It's 55mins long and another guest artist on it is David Brooker(?) of Procul Harum.


From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 18:24:03 BST
Subject: Re: Spinning in a chair at Abbey Road

Scott Telford wrote:

> While I'm here, there's another mention of the album in Melody Maker this week. It's 55mins long and another guest artist on it is David Brooker(?) of Procul Harum.

Most likely to be Gary Brooker. The singer, pianist, composer, and general leading light of Procol (note spelling) Harum. He's a good mate of Eric Clapton's which may be how come he gets to appear on the new KaTe. He's made at least three solo albums since Procol folded and last year (may have been '91) a number of ex-members got together to make a rather underwhelming album called "Prodigal Stranger".


From: Markku Kolkka <mk59200@ruskorastas.cs.tut.FI>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 15:35:50 GMT
Subject: MoP and Hannah Bush

The weekly music newspaper "Rumba" (Finnish equivalent of NME) has Kate on the front, and gives the centre spread to yet another version of the Chrissie Illey (sp?) interview. One thing that I haven't noticed in previous transcripts of this interview: Moments of Pleasure was written before Hannah Bush's death. In the record review section TRS gets 4.5 points out of 5.

I wonder if we ever get to see a complete, unedited transcript of that interview?


Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 14:02:42 -0800 (PST)
From: "Karen L. Newcombe" <kln@crl.com>
Subject: Who are Maureen, Michael? Possible Answers

Greetings my darling rocket tails. The day before I bought TRS I picked up a copy of the new Dead Can Dance album, which is dedicated to the memory of Maureen Copper. I think it is too much of a coincidence that Kate also mentions a Maureen in her list of beloved departed ones, and my speculation is that Maureen Copper was someone in the music industry who was friends with many people -- perhaps the Homeground Twins could verify this.

Can you really not ken who Michael was? Who did Kate come to New York to see? Whose movie did she take as inspiration for the album and film?

I was in New York during the blizzard last spring, on a balcony of the Royalton Hotel as it came roaring into town, hailing and snowing and lightning all at one time, and the buildings all up and down 44th Street slowly turned into mountains -- she captured it well, and with such simplicity.


Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:29:36 GMT
From: nbc@inf.rl.ac.uk
Subject: Who is Maureen?


I don't know who she is exactly, but judging from the sequence in TLTCTC where most of the names in Moments were represented by figures floating past Kate, then she was (or is) a rather large, black woman, maybe in her 30s. This assumes Kate would choose reasonable likenesses of the people in the song for the parts in the film. If this is true then the Michael at the end is not another reference to Michael Powell as he was displayed as a young man.


Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 15:47:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Marvin Wayne Sikes <sikesm@umich.edu>
Subject: Audio glitch on MoP

So I'm not alone in hearing the ringing and I have also heard the glitch on Moments of Pleasure. That is the only thing that annoyed me the first couple times I listened to it. I tend to ignore it now.


Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 9:08:44 GMT
From: M.Harding@sunserver1.bath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Audio glitch on MoP

Yep - it's definately there and it's not your system, it's in the recording.

I don't know what the explanation is, i.e. clipping, but I know the result is distracting. I've only heared it on a couple of tracks but don't remember which ones.


From: philbo@soda.berkeley.edu (Philip Gross (philbo))
Date: 20 Nov 1993 09:01:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Audio glitch on MoP

The Glitch in Moment of Passion that I hear is arround 2:26. It's sort of like a high pitched squeak between the words 'moment's giving'. There's another one at the end of that sentence too, and that wholed damn phrase is 'contrasty', for the lack of a better word.


Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:14:09 -0700
From: finley@lambda.uleth.ca (Kent Finley)
Subject: Recording glitch[es] on TRS?

There was some discussion a while back about a possible recording glitch on the new album during MoP. If by this it was meant the high-pitched I hear it quite consistently *throughout* the album, e.g. the end of squeak at the beginning of the line ">Oh< God I can't stop laughing" then EtM, the "I'll do it for you"s on SoS, throughout the title track, and elsewhere.

I'd like to believe it's the release of a glottal stop--or something--at a particularly high pitch (I've heard it on other tracks--"The Infant Kiss", "You know >how< to work me", for instance), but it sounds suspicious. I would defer to the opinion of an expert, however. Mr. Drukman, what sayest thou?


From: YAMAMOTO Sozo <sozo@crl.mei.co.jp>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 13:08:55 +0900
Subject: Names in MoP [Re: Kate in Pulse]

In my copy of latest `Lionheart', the Japanese fan club's newsletter, Shimazaki writes that:

Could anybody confirm these?

Teddy seems to be an engineer rather than a guitarist, with `Spinning in a chair at Abbey Road'

Shimazaki, the leader of Japanese fan club, boasts that he has personal acquaintance with Kate's family. So most of his statesments will be true.


From: Scott Telford <s.telford@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 14:07:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Names in MoP [Re: Kate in Pulse]

> Could anybody confirm these? Teddy seems to be an engineer rather than a guitarist, with `Spinning in a chair at Abbey Road'

As I posted a while back, "Teddy" is most likely Jon <somebody>, an assistant engineer at Abbey Road Studios during the recording of Never Forever. The name "Teddy" comes from the nicknames Andrew Powell (?), Kate and Jon gave themselves at the time (Andy Pandy, Loopy Lou and Teddy, from the old Andy Pandy childrens' TV show). I got this from an old KBC magazine article reproduced in The Garden.

PS. Anybody know who Owen Bush is, who's credited with some of the photos in the new TRS KBC mag?


From: IEDSRI@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:33:12 -0500
Subject: Names mentioned

>No one (except Kate, as far as I know - [SB]) knows who anyone else is in this song, especially "George the Wipe".

An excellent theory about the meaning of "George the Wipe" was offered in Love-Hounds several months back. Anyone remember, and can any UK member offer further insight into this reference?

Actually, IED believes that "Teddy" has been identified as the late John Barratt, assistant engineer at Abbey Road Studios during the recording sessions for "Never For Ever". Kate once revealed his nickname to be Teddy.

-- Andrew Marvick (IED)


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 12:03:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "Karen L. Newcombe" <kln@crl.com>
Subject: Maureen

About the same time that TRS came out, Dead Can Dance album Into the Labyrinth appeared. The album is dedicated to the memory of Maureen Copper (or Cotton? - I'm at work and don't have the CD in front of me.)

Is it possible that this is someone who was a singer, or otherwise involved in the music industry who might have worked with Kate or been a friend? Just a wild guess.

Can anyone out there identify Maureen Copper and give us a better idea if she was a friend of Kate's?


From: IEDSRI@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:27:21 -0500
Subject: Names

The Japanese fanzine's information about the identity of Maureen is much appreciated. Since the rest of its identifications are accurate, IED is not inclined to doubt it about this one, though confirmation would be useful. The name of the engineer referred to as Teddy is Jon Barratt. Andy Pandy, Loopy Lou and Teddy were favorites of IED's when he was a small child. Perhaps this in part explains his attachment to Kate Bush now -- he unconsciously sees a little bit of Loopy Lou in her.

-- Andrew Marvick (IED)


From: braffet@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Elizabeth Braffet)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:27:26 GMT
Subject: Every sock meets...

James@absfabs.demon.co.uk wrote:

> "Every old sock meets an old shoe" (Moments of Pleasure)

> Kate say's "Isn't that a great saying?".

> This saying is new to me, my guess is that it means things/people find their particular place in life? Am I right ?

This saying was common enough where I grew up; it was something said to people lamenting about not being able to find a girlfriend or boyfriend. A common variant of this was "for every old sock, there is an old shoe". Basically, it was used to mean that somewhere out there is a mate for each of us. As to the tastefulness of the imagery, I have no comment. ;-) Incidentally, the place I grew up was the island of Newfoundland in Canada which has a very large population of people of Irish descent. Kate's mother, Hannah, was Irish I believe. BTW, I rather prefer your interpretation of the saying, it's a lot more refined than how the saying was actually used in Nfld.


From: dougrogers@icis.on.ca (doug rogers)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:59:14 GMT
Subject: was TTI - a bit of karma


"These moments given are a gift of time."

I always hear a bit of buddhism in her stuff. That's where I am coming from, so that's what I hear. But that bit up there, well, I just can't be present in the company of others. They'd be slipping in the puddles of tears. And I always say, how can that girl know that stuff?


From: Wieland Willker <willker@chemie.uni-bremen.de<
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 13:22:41 -0100
Subject: George the wipe

Now: WHO or WHAT IS GEORGE THE WIPE??? (you see I turned it back to MY favorite question!)

So far we have

1) Menstruation

2) Someone who wiped out accidently a tape

Peter F. Morris, can you read me? What sayest thou?


From: Peter Fitzgerald-Morris <pfm@glass.jecsystems.com<
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:00:00
Subject: George the Wipe

Hello All,

Just shaking off the snow and the `flu and preparing for Xmas.


<<(you see I turned it back to MY favorite question!)

<<So far we have

<<1) Menstruation

<<2) Someone who wiped out accidently a tape

<<Peter F. Morris, can you read me? What sayest thou?

Sorry chaps, haven't a clue to the answer to this one. Undoubtedly Bush family in-joke (and they have many). We're probably not even meant to get it.

On to Moments 2.2e. - Lily

Written by Love-Hounds
compiled and edited
Wieland Willker
August 1995