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Love-Hounds digest        Saturday, 13 April 1996      Volume 12 : Number 124

In this issue:
Start your own radio station
Re: Another Sweater Song
Violet's gummed up headphone jack
Kate Bush Discovery? (Continued)
Canadian CDs Different than US versions?
Re: Dreaming Plug
Annie Lennox Concert...(No Kate - Sorry!)
Re: Demo lyrics
[none]
Re: Demo lyrics
Wieland's Demo Dreams
Scares Me Silly...
Re: Canadian CDs Different than US versions?
Re: Demo lyrics
The title: The Kick Inside - Brother ???
Re: Cookin' SPAM
Re: Dreaming Plug
Re: In the trees
Marcel!
Re: The GAFFA-Web

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From: destiny_software@mindlink.bc.ca (destiny admin)
Date: 12 Apr 1996 16:24:52 GMT
Subject: Start your own radio station

New internet radio software allows anyone with at least an ISDN 
connection to broadcast music over the internet.  It is free for 
non-commercial use!

Download it from: http://www.destiny-software.com/destiny

The automated DJ will play samples from a list unattended, 24 hours a 
day, 7 days per week.

This is a great way to promote your favorite music!


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From: "Chris Hansen @ Work" <chris@kiva.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:14:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Another Sweater Song

Bingo!

Violet wrote:

    Meryn Cadell did a funny piece about a sweater that was quite popular
    about four years ago.  It's on her her first album "Angel Food for Thought"
    from 1992.  It was spoken over a cheesy, sixties-ish canned beat.

That is the other sweater song and artist I was trying to remember... there are 
several cuts on that album which are extremely funny...

chris
the brain-dead one
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From: kln@a.crl.com
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:46:49 -0700
Subject: Violet's gummed up headphone jack

Violet,

Try a Q-tip and some alchohol or lighter fluid to get the gummy glue out of your 
headphone jack.  Both of these fluids will evaporate without leaving a residue. 
Don't use nail polish remover! Make sure the electrical outlet is unplugged 
before you do this, just in case. (Oh yeah Karen, I took your advice and zapped 
myself four ways to Katemas.)

I have also used lighter fluid to remove sales tags from 12" sleeves without 
lifting off the varnish.  Unfortunately the glue from the sales tags sometimes 
stains the sleeve.  You can't win.  I complain regularly to stores that they 
shouldn't put price stickers directly on the sleeve and then expect to be able 
to charge $20.00 for the thing.

What does that have to do with anything? Nothing! Just a useless diatribe 
against ignerent retail practices.

Karen  kln@a.crl.com

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From: mfgr@bart.nl (Marcel F G Rijs)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:30:09 -0100
Subject: Kate Bush Discovery? (Continued)

On April 7. 1996 I wrote:

> I've finally found some time to email! Thank Violet & Kate for Easter 
> vacations!
> As some of you may be aware, I am busy releasing a CD version of Tori Amos on 
> the basis of pre-ordering. In order to be able to do this I had to pay a
visit 
> to BUMA/STEMRA, the Dutch company which is involved with copyrights, early 
> this week. 

...and then I told the story of finding new Kate Bush titles.

Well, as promised, here's the sequel....

As I already wrote, this visit to BUMA/STEMRA was paid to get things on the
rails copyright-wise for the CD version of Tori AMos Covered. I could have
easily done this through the phone, but....
What did I write? Early this week? Wait.... that wouldn't be.... that date?















THE FIRST OF APRIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or, as they say on television:

GOTCHA!!!!!!!!

No, I didn't go to BUMA/STEMRA, I already fixed this thru the telephone, so
there was no need to go all the way to Almere.
Congratulation to Markku, who was the only one getting close to a
counter-expertise!

As for the others: I am proud to have fooled you. I hope there are no hard
feelings..... I will retreat now.... 

8-) 8-)

Greetings,

** Marcel F G Rijs - "Conan the librarian"
** Internet: mfgr@bart.nl            CIS: 100276,2176
**      WWW: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/marcel
** Protect Free Speech Online -- http://www.cdt.org/ciec/


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From: Thomas.A.Fornof@sandiegoca.ncr.com (Thomas A. Fornof)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:47:22
Subject: Canadian CDs Different than US versions?

I have the US EMI America versions of Lionheart, The Dreaming,
and Never For Ever.  I saw the Canadian versions of these
disks in a store but they were still sealed so I can't
see if there is any internal difference.  Do the Canadian differ
from the US versions?  Do the Canadian versions use the
UK masters(sound better)?  Should I get the Canadian versions?
The Godwin book did not indicate any difference.
Please reply to:
Thomas.A.Fornof@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM

Tom Fornof
min. sig.

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From: ninthwaver@aol.com (NinthWaver)
Date: 12 Apr 1996 20:09:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Dreaming Plug

I think everyone is sniffing something around here ....

Me, I'll just go into the backyard and work on my Cloudbusting machine.
"A word could not harm me
 A stone could not bruise me.
 A gun could not shoot me
 For I am not here."

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From: scottycf@aol.com (ScottyCF)
Date: 12 Apr 1996 20:50:20 -0400
Subject: Annie Lennox Concert...(No Kate - Sorry!)

Hello,

I'm generally just a lurker here, but I have an urgent need that I hope
someone here can fulfill!  The Disney Channel (US Cable) will be
broadcasting an hour-long version of Annie Lennox's concert in NYC's
Central Park last Fall.  I, alas, do not subscribe to the Disney Channel. 
Could someone tape it onto VHS for me?  The show is set to air this Sunday
(4/14) at 9pm I believe.   Please e-mail me directly if you can do this
favor for me - we can work out some sort of compensation for your tape &
effort!  All e-mails will get a reply!

Thank you!
Scott

"I'm a hungry Mohican
 I've got a razor blade smile -
 So don't come near me -
 I've got a singular style"
        - La Lennoxa

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From: SamiT007@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:08:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Demo lyrics

I'm working my way through the demos right now and I've come across a few
particularly intriguing pieces.  In order to fully explore them, I would like
to ask for assistance:

Does anyone have the lyrics to Organic Acid?  I am particularly interested in
John Carder Bush's poem that is interspersed between Kate's melodies in this
tune.  

I am also particularly interested at this time in the lyrics to (Where are
the) Lionhearts. 

Can someone please e-mail these lyrics to me?  I would be *forever* grateful!

Thanks much!

~~~Samantha

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From: SamiT007@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:08:26 -0400
Subject: [none]

d a funny piece about a sweater that was quite popular about
>four years ago.  It's on her her first album "Angel Food for Thought" from
>1992.  It was spoken over a cheesy, sixties-ish canned beat.  I'm going to

Hey Violet--thanks for the info!  Believe it or not, THIS was the piece I was
looking for!  I guess I thought Laurie Anderson had done it because I knew
she had a "sweater" song.  I can't believe that I went down the wrong tracks
and still got the right answer!  Now, I just have to locate the CD this is
on.  You are my hero today, Violet!  

ta-ta,
~~~Samantha

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From: btd@carina.cray.com (Bryan Dongray)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:29:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Demo lyrics

Hello Sami,

> Does anyone have the lyrics to Organic Acid?  I am particularly interested in
> John Carder Bush's poem that is interspersed between Kate's melodies in this
> tune.  
> 
> I am also particularly interested at this time in the lyrics to (Where are
> the) Lionhearts. 

Well, I've got sort of web page together:
 http://home.cray.com/~btd/kate-bush
no pictures. Two reasons:
 1. reduce bandwidth, ie you get it faster, and we don't flood the net
 2. others have got far better image storages than me
It's all done by album, demo, alphabetical, b-sides. I've still to do
the reference by single.

OK, Vickie, how do you want what's there put over to the gaffaweb?

> Can someone please e-mail these lyrics to me?  I would be *forever* grateful!

The demo lyrics are on their way to your email bag.

   Bryan Dongray

PS If you view my home page, you can see me, and my house - a real "home" page!

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From: "John D. Walker" <jdwalker@post.cis.smu.edu>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:03:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Wieland's Demo Dreams

Last episode, Wieland posed an interesting point:

Are these songs just foating around in the air?  Are there Kate songs 
even Kate doesn't know?

<Meta-physical mode on>
I think so.  I write myself, although not on Kate's level.  The best 
songs come to me fully completed as if on a recording.  All I do is 
reproduce the song I heard in my head.  My reproductions are not always 
true to my initial vision (which I would guess is a frustration all 
songwriters experience).  Sometimes I hear instruments that I don't know 
how to play, or sounds that I don't know how to make.  If I try to jump 
start the process by forcing myself to write, the results are always 
unsatisfying.  Anybody else have a similar experience?

I believe, personally, that music is all around us, and that some people can 
tap into it and reproduce it for those others who can't.  The visionary 
songwriters (like Kate) blaze the trails and open other people up to new 
possibilities.  Others just copy.  Where it comes from, I couldn't say, 
but it is a wonderful thing, is it not?

Eric Johnson, who is a guitarist of amazing ability and emotion, mentions 
a similar experience to Wieland's in May's Guitar Player magazine:

"I even hear songs in my sleep.  Like, in a dream somebody'll go, 'Have 
you heard this song?  It's a Beatles track that was never released.'  
I'll put it on, and it'll be great.  It's a real statement on how 
profound the 90% of our consiousness that we're not aware of is.  I'll 
wake up and go 'Wow!  What a song!  That's the best song I ever thought 
about,' but then I can't remember it."

So yes, there are Kate songs in the air waiting to be discovered.  Why,
Tori's probably out in the desert somewhere RIGHT NOW trying to tap into the
right channel..... ;-)

<Meta-physical mode off>

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Love Hounds mailing list.

John

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From: Brett Harris <brh@BoM.GOV.AU>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 17:37:11 EST
Subject: Scares Me Silly...

Hi KateFans,

Something has been bugging me for a while...  does anyone else
hear the extreme similarity between parts of 'Scares Me Silly'
and 'Oh England My Leotard'.  It would make more sense to rip off
an unreleased song, but it would seem unlikely that they could have
gotten hold of it way back then.

Any thoughts?

Brett.

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From: figsk8tn@ix.netcom.com (Sklar Toy)
Date: 13 Apr 1996 05:56:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Canadian CDs Different than US versions?

In <Thomas.A.Fornof.124.0010CAA5@SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM>
Thomas.A.Fornof@sandiegoca.ncr.com (Thomas A. Fornof) writes: 
>
>I have the US EMI America versions of Lionheart, The Dreaming,
>and Never For Ever.  I saw the Canadian versions of these
>disks in a store but they were still sealed so I can't
>see if there is any internal difference.  Do the Canadian differ
>from the US versions?  Do the Canadian versions use the
>UK masters(sound better)?  Should I get the Canadian versions?
>The Godwin book did not indicate any difference.
>Please reply to:
>Thomas.A.Fornof@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM
>
>Tom Fornof
>min. sig.

I don't think there're any difference in any of the CDs with the
exception of the cover sleeve for "The Kick Inside".  The "Hounds of
Love" cassette is supposed to have the Extended Version of "Running Up
that Hill" on Side A, as did the UK cassette.

Of course, the Mini-LP (songs from Never for Ever and The Dreaming) in
Canada was released with 6 Tracks as opposed to the 5 on the US
version.

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From: lombaeg@mail.interpac.be (Emmy May Lombaerts)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 08:05:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Demo lyrics

On 12 Apr 1996 21:29:43 -0700, btd@carina.cray.com (Bryan Dongray)
wrote:

>Hello Sami,
>
>> Does anyone have the lyrics to Organic Acid?  I am particularly interested in
>> John Carder Bush's poem that is interspersed between Kate's melodies in this
>> tune.  
>> 
>> I am also particularly interested at this time in the lyrics to (Where are
>> the) Lionhearts. 
>
>Well, I've got sort of web page together:
> http://home.cray.com/~btd/kate-bush
>no pictures. Two reasons:
> 1. reduce bandwidth, ie you get it faster, and we don't flood the net
> 2. others have got far better image storages than me
>It's all done by album, demo, alphabetical, b-sides. I've still to do
>the reference by single. 

     The lyrics are also on my page :
http://www.dma.be/p/bewoner/Krd/early_e.htm, which was updated
recently with some HTML-help from Chris (thanks again :) ),

                   Emmy.





Emmy May Lombaerts
lombaeg@mail.interpac.be        Krd@www.dma.be
 
http://www.dma.be/p/bewoner/Krd/

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
'And Is It Right, Butterfly, They like You Better Framed And Dried?' ~
                                   Tori Amos
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

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From: Wieland Willker <willker@chemie.uni-bremen.de>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:12:13 -0100
Subject: The title: The Kick Inside - Brother ???

The title from the Phoenix broadcast:
I was listening again to the tape and I cannot get the decisive word. It
sounds like "wilsom/windsom" or so to me:

He said: "The *wilsom* title says: The Kick Inside - Brother."

I think you all know instantly what he means. Please tell me!
Be kind...
Best wishes
    Wieland


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From: chrisw@miso.wwa.com (Chris Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 08:18:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Cookin' SPAM

>A proposal for SPAMicide:
>
>A gatekeeper system, where the "post"-processor will kick-out a post from
>anyone not on The Approved List.  These purgatorious posts would be Suspended
>in Gaffa and sent to a select, annointed group of X (20?) people (any
>volunteers?).  If at least Y (4?) of these "gatekeepers" sent it back to a
>special address within Z (24?) hours, the post would be added to L-H and
>r.m.g, and the post's author ID would be added to The Approved List for future
>posts.  If said confirmation did NOT occur within Z hours, the post would be
>sent on to hell (and, in a perfect world, the author would go with it).

   Sounds like a very good idea (except for the problem that the only person
who could do anything about this is the one person known to be too busy.)

   A suggestion for a modified version....

   A modified news server that only carries one group...the un-vetted feed
to love-hounds. 

   Anyone willing to be a part of the moderation group will have newsreading
rights on the group...as long as they have been a subscriber to love-hounds
for a reasonable period of time, to make sure spammers don't join just to
allow spam.

   Any article that is read and accepted is forwarded to the rest of the 
group. Any article that is killed is put into a holding queue.

   If 4 succesive readers kill it, it goes into the bit-bucket.

   This would make sure that good stuff goes out quickly, and bad stuff
is deleted. I'd hate to have a long delay on non-spam just to get rid of
spam.

>The group-moderation handles problems with undue censorship and moderators
>taking vacation.

   Remember, although Stev0 is being really pissy, we owe a *lot* to Bill
Wisner. The entire mailing list is passing through his personal machine,
and he is hosting the new GaffaWeb site and devoting considerable
resources to it.

>Additionally, isn't there a way to determine whether an address is "real"
>(finger?)?  That could be a first step.

   If the address is SMTP-spoofed (as most spam is) the spoofed address
will finger ok. I could send you e-mail from president@whitehouse.gov,
and the finger would work. Also, this would exclude many decent people
who post from behind company firewalls, and everyone unlucky enough
to be on AOL.

>The above system may not be technically feasible, given the list-processor
>software used by "our humble pseudo-moderator".  There are certainly details
>that need to be addressed which are not mentioned above.  Any comments?

   Something is feasible, either through NNTP, mailing to the moderators,
a password protected approval web page or something else. Almost any
active moderation will destroy spammers. Remember, virtually no spammers
*target* love-hounds/rec.music.gaffa. It's just one more list. To date I 
haven't seen any of the spam use the one method that would get around
the current system (no, I won't tell anyone what the weakness is.)


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From: chrisw@miso.wwa.com (Chris Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 08:22:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Dreaming Plug

>Laurie wrote:
>>ps just figured out how to use a Dreaming Plug (tm)! whoa! i put my
>>headphones on and just rolled about with laughter and wonder! i finally
>>know what she's saying in There Goes A Tenner. then i listened to Never
>>For Ever and then Boys For Pele and then Dar Williams' Mortal City and
>>then Happy Rhodes and then....
>>  it was fun! thanks to whomever suggested using headphones and not
>>plugging them in all the way.
>
>This does NOT work for me.  Why doesn't it work for me?  I know it's not
>working because I made a Dreaming Plug once and heard the way it sounds.
>Unfortunately, when I made the plug and then tried to pull it out of the
>jack, most of the tape got left inside it.  My boyfriend, whose stereo I
>was using, was standing right next to me, saw this, and freaked out.  He
>made me dig out all the itty, bitty bits of gummed up tape.  I was there
>with the tweezers for half an hour!  Then, I couldn't get what was left off
>of my headphone plug.  It's STILL sticky.  So I hesitate to do it again.
>Sad sad sad. :(   I'm wondering if I could use a little bit of paper
>instead.  I'm afraid that may be too thick.  I really had to force just the
>taped plug in, and I had even used Scotch tape because it's so thin.  Does
>anyone have a suggestion for an even thinner tape?

   I've never thought that tape was a good way to go, and have never 
reccomended it. At some point I'm going to sit down with a bunch of
connectors and my tools and cobble up a bunch of "Dreaming Plugs"
in 1/4" and 1/8" sizes.

    Sorry to hear about this.

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From: chrisw@miso.wwa.com (Chris Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 08:28:54 GMT
Subject: Re: In the trees

>Chris wrote:
>>As noted above, the working title was "Casting The Runes".
>
>That was the working title because that's the name of the original work by
>James.

   Ah, ok.

>And also the way the papers escape from Miranda and she chases them.  This
>was how the demon was summoned in the film:  A scroll (just a small slip of
>paper, really) with the runic spell on it had to be secretly slipped to a
>victim without their knowledge, and then the scroll would be carried off by
>the wind at a certain time (midnight?) and the demon would come for them.
>If whoever possessed the scroll were to discover it and have it in their
>possession when the time came, the spell was cancelled.  In the end, the
>bad fellow frantically tries to catch the scroll that Dana Andrews'
>character secretly passed back to him and destroy it.  This is just the way
>Miranda looks when chasing the symbols.

   Cool. This is on my list of films to see again, along with _The Red Shoes_.

>This film REALLY scares me, by the way.  And I'm a horror fanatic.
>Although the demon does look a little "rubbery" and silly at times.  But it
>still scares me.

   I spent a long time editing "The Innocents" into "The Infant Kiss", 
watching the film back and forth...and it *still* disturbs me.

  A couple of Kate's other favorite frightening films:

   The Haunting (the door bulging in was a major image for _Get Out Of My 
       House_).

   Don't Look Now (more disturbing than frightening, but *quite* disturbing).


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From: Wieland Willker <willker@chemie.uni-bremen.de>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:35:02 -0100
Subject: Marcel!

And George the Wipe hits AGAIN!!!

Grrrrrrrrrhh!!!
Aaaaaarrrrgh!!!
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
You're so evil!!!
:-)
:-)
You fooled me completely!
Good job! My respect!
Give us another one!

Best wishes
    Wieland

PS: Your post inspired the most beautiful Kate-dream I've ever had! So,
thank you very, very much, Marcel!!!



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From: chrisw@miso.wwa.com (Chris Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 08:34:07 GMT
Subject: Re: The GAFFA-Web

>Vickie!
>PHOENIX on the Web! this is incredibly great! 
>How did you do that so fast? WOW, WOW, WOW!!!

   Yeah, I realize that I'm not unbiased, but Vickie is truly
one of the most amazingly fast and accurate HTML writers
around. She's a one woman coding machine. 


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