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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1992 05:14:28 -0800
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To: rec-music-gaffa@uknet.ac.uk Path: harrier.ukc.ac.uk!eagle.ukc.ac.uk!spt1 From: spt1@ukc.ac.uk (S.P.Thomas) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Social Issues in Kate's Songs Message-ID: <220@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> Date: 4 Jan 92 13:14:26 GMT References: <01GEXBEY0TCG9I78H5@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> Reply-To: spt1@ukc.ac.uk (Stephen Thomas) Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 37 In article <01GEXBEY0TCG9I78H5@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> POLS051@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz writes: >- "Army Dreamers", "Experiment IV", and "Pull out the Pin" are obviously >anti-military songs. Personally, I think this is very much an oversimplication. "Army Dreamers" is primarily about a mother's grief at losing her child to empty dreams of glory. The lyrics convey (to me, at least) no blame on the military which filled the young person with these dreams. Just grief and regret for a wasted life. "Experiment IV" is a better candidate, but to say that this is an anti-military song is perhaps missing the point, even so. The song is mainly about the perversion of beauty into evil. However, as it is the military who are sponsoring this perversion, and the lyrics contain an implicit resentment of them because of this, then in this way could the song be anti-military. "Pull Out The Pin" works on a very personal level. It is about a soldier realising that if he intends to live, he will have to kill the other guy threatening him. There seems to be a curious ambivalence in the lyrics - sometimes our soldier is reviling his enemy as an object of contempt, yet at other times is understanding that the person is only a soldier too, with a family, etc. In the end, though, he *is* the enemy, and so must die, in order for our soldier to live. There seems to be no agonising over this - indeed, the necessity is stark. I don't think this song is anti-military - it merely uses a military situation to convey the necessity of choosing for yourself in a life/death situation, because our soldier loves life. >Andrew Hoy, >Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND. Stephen -- | "You've been having a nightmare. | Stephen Thomas -------------------------| | And it's not over yet." | Email: spt1@ukc.ac.uk; Smail: Computing | | -- Roger Waters, "The Pros and | Lab, University of Kent, CT2 7NZ, UK; | | Cons of Hitchhiking" | Tel: +44 (0)227 764000 x 3824 |