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From: derek%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 14:40:53 PST
Subject: Survey results and draft letter to EMI
Fellow Love-hounds A big THANK YOU to all who sent me info about the CD box prices. It has been quite illuminating. It looks like Canada, Germany, New Zealand and Australia (if you can find it) are the cheapest places for the set. Unfortunately I only have one data point for all but Canada out of these, so sampling error may give the impression it is overly cheap there. Below the results is a draft letter I propose to send to Mr. Steve Davis, Product Manager at EMI London. I am sure all of you will not agree with what I have said. If you have any suggestions to make, please email me. The letter will not be mailed until after New Year as I will be away for a week from Thursday and I have too much to do before then. It will also give some of you time to respond. Results of the survey : price $US price in tax store city Country local currency $137.61 180.00 $AUS incl EMI Adelaide Adelaide Australia $72.52 83.94 $CDN incl A&B Sounds Vancouver BC Canada $112.32 130.00 $CDN incl ? Quebec PQ Canada $77.76 90.00 $CDN incl ? Vancouver BC Canada $251.72 899.00 FIM incl 21% Diskeri Imports Helsinki Finland $276.78 1400.00 FF incl Megastore Paris France $168.05 850.00 FF incl La Fnac Paris France $168.05 850.00 FF incl various Paris France $128.51 650.00 FF incl various Paris France $134.49 199.99 DM incl 14% Wunderland Nuernberg Germany $193.08 3239.00 FI incl Free Record Shop Nijmegen Netherlands $88.32 149.95 $NZ incl 12.5% ? Wellington New Zealand $203.97 1190.00 NOKR incl 20% ? Oslo Norway $169.69 990.00 NOKR incl 20% Compact-Huset Haugesund Norway $205.28 1150.00 SKR incl Megastore Stockholm Sweden $183.33 94.99 #UK incl 15% Haken & Bell Oxford UK $189.12 97.99 #UK incl 15% HMV & Virgin stores UK $214.49 214.49 $US 7.25% Off the Record San Diego CA USA $182.31 182.31 $US 7.25% Lou's Records Encinitas CA USA $164.92 164.92 $US 8.50% Midnight Records New York NY USA $195.30 195.30 $US 8.50% ? New York NY USA $135.00 135.00 $US 8% All Things Kate Bellingham WA USA* $216.00 216.00 $US 8% Various Boston MA USA $192.60 192.60 $US 7% Desert Island Records Potsdam NY USA $237.60 237.60 $US 7% Music Shack Albany NY USA $212.49 212.49 $US 6.25% Vintage Vinal St Louis MO USA $169.99 169.99 $US 6.25% Now Hear This St Louis MO USA $176.14 176.14 $US 6.75% Go-Boys Records Torrance CA USA $187.68 187.68 $US 7.25% CDSounds San Diego CA USA * mail order of sets from Canada The letter : Dear Mr. Davis, Re : Kate Bush - "This Woman's Work" CD box set Thank you for replying to the letter Andrew Marvick and I wrote dated September 4th. I realise now that it was far too late for further input into the project. Unfortunately, we did not hear about the release until it was clearly too late. The purpose of this letter is to bring to your attention the reception of the Kate Bush Box Set by fans around the world and certain aspects of its marketing. First, I believe all fans are pleased that her b-sides have been consolidated and are available on compact disc, vinyl and cassette as a legitimate release. The set has been hard to get in some parts of the world including some areas of the USA and in Australia where there are apparently strict quotas for its distribution. Hopefully all those that want the set will be able to get it. Apart from availability, there are other complaints that some of us have about the set. One that has surfaced is the disparate prices the CD sets are being sold for around the world. I instigated a survey on the Love-hounds computer network newsgroup to get prices which were being asked by stores across the globe. The responses reveal that the set is far cheaper in certain countries than in others. More specifically, it seems that in the UK and USA (Kate's larger markets I would assume) one can find some of the highest prices in the world. Below are the summarized results of my survey. All prices include local sales taxes which are between 6 and 20%. The results of the full survay from which this was derived are appended to this letter. Country cost in US $ Australia $138 Canada $73-$113 Finland $252 France $129-$276 Germany $135 Netherlands $193 New Zealand $89 Norway $170-$204 Sweden $205 UK $184-$190 USA $165-$238 What is most perturbing is that the exact same sets (EMI UK produced) are being sold for so little in Canada, Germany, New Zealand and Australia, yet, for so much in the UK and other European countries where shipping costs will be much less. I believe the sets in Canada are being distributed through your Canadian subsidiary. Why are they being sold so cheaply there? UK, other European customers, and some in the USA in particular are clearly being gouged. The price in the UK is uniformly set at between #94.99 and #97.99 so fans have little choice as to what they pay. In France the range of prices is preposterous. A similar situation exists in the USA. The cost to US dealers is approximately $125 (#64) meaning profit margins for the sellers are sometimes close to 100%. I realise this is largely a function of the market place. I personally believe that the music industry has been exploiting CD customers in the UK with higher than necessary prices : the Kate Bush Boxed Set continues this practice. I have seen UK manufactured discs sell for under $12 in the USA at full retail price whereas in the UK they sell for #12. The difference is clearly not related to production or shipping costs. The only justification for such prices is because it is what the market will bare. I personally believe consumers deserve more respect. Another gripe is the fact that many of the discs in the set can be purchased separately at mid-price (#8) in the UK yet the set sells for approximately #12 per disc. Normally, boxed sets sell for less than what separately purchased discs cost so as to act as an incentive to purchase a multiple-disc set. This did not occur for "This Woman's Work". It is felt the extra costs for the new discs do not justify this price hike. Can you explain why this is possibly the most expensive set, on a per disc basis, to have ever been released? In paying such a premium for the set most found the disc booklets fell far short of what they should have been. There were no lyrics for the new to CD songs and no source information. The photographs have been commended but for CD purchasers the small size was disappointing in comparison to the LP pictures which are apparently quite stunning. CD purchasers again feel short changed. CD box sets are often released in LP sized boxes with full-size booklets. As a result it is felt an opportunity was missed. And despite Kate having a large say in the project, as she usually does with her work, I believe EMI had the ultimate control of the packaging. Needless to say most fans are unimpressed with the minimal effort put into the booklets. As Andy and I stated in our letter of September 4th there were concerns from fans who already owned all of Kate's albums on CD, with many having specially purchased the UK discs. The duplicate purchase of these discs was a sickening prospect. We advised that to make the album discs in the set special, i.e. with bonus tracks or special edition booklets, would ease some of the concerns. Unfortunately EMI's minimum effort approach has left many fans upset. Instead of making the fans happy, EMI has embittered them. It is felt that EMI are to be blamed for a complete lack of consideration for her most loyal followers: the majority of whom already had all her albums on CD. Lastly there have been rumours about a separate release in the USA of the b-sides discs (source: Tower Records magazine). Some who cannot afford the full boxed sets are hopeful. Others who purchased the boxed sets, including many who already had all her albums on CD, are quite angry about this. If this was planned before the release of the boxed set many fans will be simply outraged. Could you confirm that EMI have no plans to issue a separate 2 disc release of the b-sides discs in the USA or UK? In the future it would be worthwhile for EMI to somehow get the opinions of potential customers before releasing large boxed sets. I understand that the staff at Homeground (the UK's only official Kate Bush Fanzine) were shut out of the project completely. This would have been the most obvious place to have obtained some fan and consumer input. To conclude I will summarise by saying that the "This Woman's Work" CD set has had a mixed response from the fans. From a musical standpoint it is wonderful despite some b-sides being omitted. However, most fans are not completely happy with it. There have been many frustrations: the difficulty of obtaining the sets in some areas; the variability in price; the minimal packaging and information contained, the complete duplication and redundant purchase of the album CDs; the perceived lack of respect for the loyal fans, and, the often excessively high cost. I realise that EMI are not a charity but a little more respect for the wishes of the fans - the chief buyers - would go a long way. Fortunately for EMI, Kate's fans are a loyal bunch, but with the "This Woman's Work" CD set you have all but destroyed any respect fans may have had for EMI. I and many other fans look forward to your response to my questions. Sincerely yours Derek Langsford Derek _____________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford | "It could take me all my life, Polperro->Edinburgh->San Diego | or it could only take a moment..." derek@sunstroke.sdsu.edu | Kate Bush, Love & Anger _____________________________________________________________________________